Meeting Events

Meeting: q8dm1_7zlqe.stephenson_county_il_administration_committee_meeting_4-8-26

Meeting date: 2026-04-08

Meeting type: administration_committee

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Decisions and Votes

• Approval of meeting minutes from March 11th, 2026

  • Summary: Motion to approve meeting minutes.
  • Evidence: “4.0 approval meeting minutes from March 11th, 20.6. Motion to approve.”
  • Evidence: “All those in favor say aye. Aye.”
  • Source timestamp: 00:36

• Adjournment Vote (First Instance) — Passed

  • Summary: All those in favor said aye, and the motion passed.
  • Evidence: “All those in favor say aye. Aye.”
  • Source timestamp: 38:20

• Adjournment Vote (Second Instance) — Passed

  • Summary: All those in favor said aye, and the motion passed.
  • Evidence: “All those in favor say aye. Thanks everyone.”
  • Source timestamp: 38:32

Procedural Actions

• Administration Legal Affairs Committee meeting start

  • Summary: The committee began its session.
  • Evidence: “Well, let’s get started with the Administration Legal Affairs Committee, Wednesday April 8th, 2026 at 5 PM”
  • Source timestamp: 00:00

• Opening prayer

  • Summary: A request for a blessing and wisdom for the county business.
  • Evidence: “I ask that you bless each one. We ask that you would give us wisdom and help us to judiciously do the business of our county in Jesus’ name.”
  • Source timestamp: 00:13

• Public comments period

  • Summary: The body addressed public comments.
  • Evidence: “all right all those in favor say aye please stand here just see if we have here how about uh 6.0 public comments and no one else is here.”
  • Source timestamp: 02:57

• Adjournment Motion (First Instance)

  • Summary: Motion to adjourn was made.
  • Evidence: “Make a motion to adjourn.”
  • Source timestamp: 38:20

• Adjournment Motion (Second Instance)

  • Summary: A second motion to adjourn was made.
  • Evidence: “Make a motion to adjourn. Yes, I’ll second.”
  • Source timestamp: 38:24

Financial and Contract Events

• Total county funds comparison
  • Summary: Total county funds were down 2.81% compared to the end of February.
  • Evidence: “So as of the end of the month, total county funds were down. If you go to, if you look at page five, which I think is usually one of the most important pages, down 2.81% compared to the end of February, much as $728,000 in change.”
  • Source timestamp: 04:25

Presentations and Reports

• County Treasurer’s March financial report

  • Summary: The treasurer reported on steady tax receipts, a total year-to-date of $2.3 plus million, and that total county funds were down 2.81% compared to the end of February.
  • Evidence: “Another steady month, I guess that’s just the best way to describe it. So income tax, sales tax, The tax receipts remain steady as the monthly report indicates that aggregate receipts increased by 33,000 and change over the previous month. You can see the total year today is 2.3 plus million. That public safety tax, I don’t know if you noticed, was $315,000.”
  • Source timestamp: 03:41

• Collector’s office schedule and tax bill redesign

  • Summary: The county clerk and assessor determined a schedule for upcoming functions, including late May tax bill mailing, early September first installment, and the redesigned tax bill is expected to be approved by May 1st.
  • Evidence: “I haven’t really changed my estimates at this point. I’m into late May tax bill mailing, probably closer to maybe just before Memorial Day, still looking at the end of June for that first installment, early September 2nd. Always subject to change. Of course, you never know if there’s a wrinkle that gets thrown there… they expect to have those to be approved by May 1st.”
  • Source timestamp: 06:11

• Election wrap-up and post-election work

  • Summary: The speaker reported that after the March election, there is still work remaining, including certifying results on April 1st and sending reports to overlapping counties.
  • Evidence: “Still wrapping up a few things from the election in March. People think March election is done, but there’s still a lot of work afterwards. We certify the election results on April 1st, and then there’s still some reports to be to the state and results have to be sent to overlapping counties.”
  • Source timestamp: 09:59

• ADA compliance survey and voting equipment

  • Summary: The speaker noted that a required foreign place accessibility survey must be completed for ADA grant application, and this year 40 new voting books were acquired.
  • Evidence: “Every two years, we have to go out and do a foreign place accessibility survey that has to be to the state. That survey has to be completed in order to apply for the ADA grant. With that grant, we’ve been able to help some foreign locations make improvements. This past year, we were able to get 40 new voting books.”
  • Source timestamp: 11:21

• HR roundtable topics on community employment gaps

  • Summary: The County Administrator attended an HR roundtable discussing regional gaps in employment for people in the community until about age 24 or 25, and then returning at 44 plus.
  • Evidence: “This morning I attended an HR roundtable at Greater Fruit Park Partnership. They have a series of meetings. The next one will be June. But the topics today, they were trying to gather information from a lot of HR directors in the region of the gaps in the employment of the people staying in the and community.”
  • Source timestamp: 14:44

• Animal control RFP for new location kennels

  • Summary: The RFP for animal control kennels at the new location will have a bid for approval tomorrow.
  • Evidence: “I don’t want to take away from a report that Kristen will be giving for animal control tomorrow but the RFP for her kennels for the new location, there will be a bid for approval tomorrow”
  • Source timestamp: 17:13

• Region One Land Bank meeting attendance

  • Summary: The County Administrator attended the Region One Land Bank meeting on March 24th.
  • Evidence: “I attended the Region One Land Bank meeting on March 24th.”
  • Source timestamp: 17:48

• Mark Bell’s annual updates

  • Summary: Mark Bell provided his annual updates regarding risk topics, online training portals, and met with the new coroner.
  • Evidence: “Mark Bell was there and kind of did his annual updates on on risk topics and online, you know, the portal for training materials and things. He was able to meet our new coroner and made some connections with him to discuss some concerns, you know, that if you want to address with him and things.”
  • Source timestamp: 19:16

• ADA Outreach for Website (Item 9.1)

  • Summary: The speaker reported meeting with the current website vendor regarding a secure ADA website, stating that only the existing vendor can provide necessary integration.
  • Evidence: “let’s zoom down the 9.1 approval revised ADA outreach for the website so I’ve been meeting with revised who currently manages our website are the ones that constructed it.”
  • Source timestamp: 29:54

• ADA Website Compliance Solution

  • Summary: The vendor confirmed they can cover ADA requirements, stating the solution is 97% compliant and any gaps would be manageable.
  • Evidence: “He did say that it’s like 97%. He said there’s always going to be that 3% that, you know, somebody may overlook, but he said that it will never be anything that you’ll be looking for.”
  • Source timestamp: 30:37

• ADA Website Functionality

  • Summary: The proposed system includes an AI bot on the website to address questions and a feature (clear docs) to read documents aloud to assist users.
  • Evidence: “We’ll have like an AI bot that that will be on the website when we move forward. Any questions that they have, it’ll change the text for those that we can’t see. It’ll read to those that, you know, it covers everything and it’ll even be the second part of this, the clear docs also takes our documents and we’ll read it to people and kind of help them fill out documents if they need to or, so this does cover us completely.”
  • Source timestamp: 30:37

Metrics

• Election day attendance and locations

  • Summary: On March 16th, despite a snowstorm, the election office was open with 78 total attendees across 22 polling locations.
  • Evidence: “We were open and we actually had 70 hit goers that day. Most of them came in after 11, I think maybe two before 11, but we had 78 total that day. And we had 22 polling locations throughout the county.”
  • Source timestamp: 10:32

• Wellness screenings attendance

  • Summary: Forty-seven people were screened at the courthouse last Thursday, with 27 registered for the following day.
  • Evidence: “The wellness screenings last Thursday at the courthouse, there was 47 people screened. We have 27, I think, registered for tomorrow”
  • Source timestamp: 18:05

Discussion

• Claims for cash requirements and maintenance

  • Summary: A concern was raised regarding potential duplication of rental payments listed on page 12 of the claims.
  • Evidence: “On page 12 of those claims. It’s got the Stewart Center rent. I’m just a little confused. I know it’s a different invoice number, but if you look at the dates for the rental, it goes from and the first payment goes from $3.1 to $4.16 and then you drop down to the next payment, same amounts but from $4.1 to $4.16. Seems like we’re duplicating. Like we’re overlapping there.”
  • Source timestamp: 01:12

• Stewart Center rental invoice dates clarification

  • Summary: The duplication was explained by noting two different invoices with dates of March 1st and April 1st, and that the county board meeting date is April 16th.
  • Evidence: “So there are two different invoices. One says invoice date, March 1st, one says invoice date, April 1st. So what are the other two dates I hear there? Yeah, I think that’s a typo. March 1st. Well, no, I’m sorry, April 16th is the date of the County Board, that’s the due date.”
  • Source timestamp: 02:22

• Tax cycle presentation revival

  • Summary: A plan was discussed to revive tax cycle presentations on the road to help residents understand the process following referendum questions.
  • Evidence: “So we’re going to bring it back and Jasmine and Ann, you’re going to join me kind of do their part of the cycle, but we think we’re probably going to take it on the road, maybe”
  • Source timestamp: 07:51

• Tax cycle outreach and understanding

  • Summary: The speaker plans to revive tax cycle presentations, potentially taking them on the road in late May or early June to help people understand what is in front of them.
  • Evidence: “So we’re going to bring it back and Jasmine and Ann, you’re going to join me kind of do their part of the cycle, but we think we’re probably going to take it on the road, maybe We want to maybe get in front of that, help people understand ahead of time what they could be able to do next. So I’m looking at some dates, hopefully maybe very, very late May, early June, depending on what schedules look like for the rest of us.”
  • Source timestamp: 07:51

• Pearl City tax assessment issues

  • Summary: The speaker addressed calls from the Pearl City area regarding the sale of Pearl Valley eggs and stated that if the value was assessed correctly, Pearl City would not have issues, noting it has no bearing on other involved counties or areas.
  • Evidence: “I had a couple of calls from the Pearl City area too on, because of the sale of Pearl Valley eggs, the value of that sale, and they were like, well, if the value of that sale was assessed correctly, Pearl City wouldn’t have any issues, and, you know, we have, I tried to explain it, we have at least three counties, plus other areas of Illinois and California that are all involved with going on there. It has really no bearing whatsoever.”
  • Source timestamp: 08:52

• Tax extension process and PTEL explanation

  • Summary: The speaker is processing tax extensions by sending computation reports to over a hundred tax districts, explaining concepts like PTEL (Property Tax Levy Limit) to those who did not receive the full 5% they lobbied for.
  • Evidence: “I’m in the middle of the tax extension process, so I have sent out the tax computation reports to all of the tax districts, a little bit over a hundred tax districts, including the TIF districts, and they also, they are over the PTEL limit, they have a choice to choose to agree with the reset, proportionally put them within the limit, or they can reallocate. Most of the time we see that they agree with the proportions.”
  • Source timestamp: 12:12

• Election judge recruitment timeline

  • Summary: The speaker advised looking at the two-year certification schedule for planning and sending out requests to new election judges, noting that some current ones are retiring.
  • Evidence: “And if you guys know any one of, always look up more election judges. Look in the schedule of the two year certification right now. I’ll come, plan in for that to take place in August. So we send in election judges our way.”
  • Source timestamp: 13:28

• FOIA requests status

  • Summary: The FOIA requests have become a monthly occurrence, requiring responses from three individuals.
  • Evidence: “The FOIA requests that I spoke about last month have become a monthly occurrence and thank you to all three of you because all three of these people have had to respond to bits and parts of the requests that have become a monthly occurrence.”
  • Source timestamp: 15:53

• Nursing home information response

  • Summary: The County Administrator received an extension on a lengthy FOIA request concerning nursing home information, which has since been responded to.
  • Evidence: “In addition to that, I’ve had a pretty lengthy one that I had to seek an extension on that has been responded to now for nursing home information, as well as a couple others that are pretty, pretty in-depth and occupying quite a bit of time, just gathering things, but responding to them.”
  • Source timestamp: 16:09

• Accelerated payment notification process

  • Summary: An accelerated payment notification for a nursing home employee is being finalized between HR and RAN, with Rhianna challenging the notices successfully.
  • Evidence: “We did get an accelerated payment notification for a nursing home employee that is being done currently between HR out there and RAN, obviously will be the one finalizing all the information to submit it since she is the county’s authorized agent. I will say Rhianna’s done a very good job challenging them and submitting information.”
  • Source timestamp: 16:32

• Animal Control Band status

  • Summary: The Animal Control Band was totaled in an accident, but a band donated by a local establishment is available.
  • Evidence: “what most of you probably don’t know is that she was in a vehicle accident and totaled the animal control Control Band, but there was a band that was donated by a local establishment.”
  • Source timestamp: 17:13

• Salary and benefit surveys

  • Summary: All attendees received updated salary survey and fringe benefit survey information from UCCI.
  • Evidence: “All of you have received the updated salary survey and fringe benefit survey from UCCI.”
  • Source timestamp: 17:58

• Walking program registration

  • Summary: Registrations are live for the walking program.
  • Evidence: “The walking program, which some of us were talking about before the meeting, registrations are live for that.”
  • Source timestamp: 18:05

• County Board team registration instructions

  • Summary: When registering for the walking program portal, participants should put their name down as they can only list one person per team; teams will be grouped by department or County Board later.
  • Evidence: “So when you register, it does say a team, but it says you can only put one person on a team. So just put your name there when you’re on the portal registering. We will be grouping the teams by department or County Board on the back.”
  • Source timestamp: 18:36

• STEP program involvement

  • Summary: Discussion occurred regarding the STEP program and encouraging participation for healthy competition in the county.
  • Evidence: “We did talk about the STEP program and encouraging as much involvement as possible, trying to garner some healthy competition here in the county.”
  • Source timestamp: 19:16

• Workforce Connection meeting attendance

  • Summary: The County Administrator attended the Workforce Connection meeting on Tuesday.
  • Evidence: “I also attended the Workforce Connection meeting yesterday, Tuesday, yeah, yesterday.”
  • Source timestamp: 20:08

• Records request volume inquiry

  • Summary: A question was raised regarding the number of records requests, noting an increase from a previous count to four to six in addition to one requester.
  • Evidence: “What’s the number of four years? There’s seven of them that have been coming through every month for records for the month. That’s just from the one one requester. I would say four to six in addition to that.”
  • Source timestamp: 20:29

• SQL Server upgrade effort

  • Summary: The speaker spent at least 25 hours over the weekend upgrading and moving the SQL server, encountering issues with old server speed.
  • Evidence: “As you guys already heard, we upgraded the SQL 1 server this weekend. I say we just arrived was a huge component of that as well. I put in probably at least 25 hours this weekend trying to get that server upgraded and moved over.”
  • Source timestamp: 21:26

• SQL 1 Server Upgrade Status

  • Summary: The SQL 1 server upgrade was completed over the weekend after significant effort to move a terabyte and a half of data from an old, slow server.
  • Evidence: “Long story short, we got here. I came in early on Monday. The biggest frustration with this is both of our vendors knew we were doing this. And they need to do some work on there.”
  • Source timestamp: 22:35

• Vendor Dependencies for Server Upgrade

  • Summary: The completion of the server upgrade was dependent on external vendors, and initial attempts to contact them over the weekend were unsuccessful.
  • Evidence: “And everybody I tried to call or email this weekend, nobody was there.”
  • Source timestamp: 22:44

• Data Migration Status

  • Summary: The data migration involved a terabyte and a half of data, including many small files, which slowed down the process.
  • Evidence: “We were about a terabyte and a half that we had to go over a lot of small files. So it just never picked up the speed we would have liked this weekend, but long story short, we got there.”
  • Source timestamp: 23:56

• Adobe Licensing Issue Resolution

  • Summary: The speaker resolved an issue with sales reps attempting to mark up Adobe licenses, confirming that viewing access is not restricted and can be obtained directly from the website.
  • Evidence: “I was dealing with some sales reps, but then found out that we can just get it to through the website. I feel like they were just trying to mark up on commission a little bit. So I kind of blew those getting off and we’ll just go directly to the website when we get to the point of doing that.”
  • Source timestamp: 24:38

• AI Policy Review Status

  • Summary: The AI policy was revised using a sample from another county, and the updated version was submitted for review while awaiting feedback.
  • Evidence: “Stephanie shared one with me from another county that they’re using. And I don’t know if it’s been approved liability wise, but I was like, well, this is kind of and that shows up the areas they were asking for. So I redid it with Stephenson County and sent it back in and I’m waiting to get your back on that one.”
  • Source timestamp: 24:45

• AI Policy Clarification Request

  • Summary: A question was raised regarding the definition of ‘in writing’ when referring to exceptions from the administrator within the AI policy.
  • Evidence: “When it’s talking about exceptions in writing from the administrator, is there any, this might be countywide, is there any specific definition of what in writing means? Because I know, is that, would a quick text work?”
  • Source timestamp: 26:41

• AI Policy Review Frequency Suggestion

  • Summary: A suggestion was made to include a provision for mandatory review of the AI policy within one year of its finalization.
  • Evidence: “given the speed at which all this is changing or whatnot, when this does get finalized, I think it would be a good idea for us to have it on the books to review it in a year and that might even be a bit much just to see.”
  • Source timestamp: 27:08

• AI Policy Oversight Responsibility

  • Summary: A question was raised about who will oversee compliance with the AI policy if violations occur.
  • Evidence: “My question is then are you going to become the auditor of the AI use or do you have? I mean there’s really no way for me to co-lease it. What’s going to happen is if someone violates it and we end up in something, then we’re going to be able to, you know, there’ll be consequences to violating it per se, but there’s no way, like if someone’s using a co-pilot or something, there’s just no way to manage it.”
  • Source timestamp: 27:51

• AI Use Policy and Consequences

  • Summary: The discussion covered the difficulty of managing AI use (like co-pilot) if someone violates policy, noting that consequences would be determined by administration after an incident.
  • Evidence: “What’s going to happen is if someone violates it and we end up in something, then we’re going to be able to, you know, there’ll be consequences to violating it per se, but there’s no way, like if someone’s using a co-pilot or something, there’s just no way to manage it.”
  • Source timestamp: 28:05

• AI Use Policy Guidelines

  • Summary: A key point for the employee policy is that users should not put anything personal county information, such as social security numbers, into AI tools because once released, it cannot be retrieved.
  • Evidence: “I think the biggest thing that we’re going to have to get across and it’ll be in the policy is you don’t put anything, uh, social security numbers, any personal county information like this should be very generic in use, you know, um, because once it’s out there, it’s out there”
  • Source timestamp: 28:39

• AI Tool Protocols

  • Summary: A speaker questioned whether the policy meant users were prohibited from using co-pilot or similar tools, suggesting protocols should be consistent across all such tools.
  • Evidence: “So they’re not supposed to use co-pilot? Is that what that means? They’re not supposed to use co-pilot? I mean, they’re all the same. So I mean, I mean, you should have the same protocols for all of them.”
  • Source timestamp: 29:33

• ADA Website Cost Structure

  • Summary: The cost structure involves a yearly maintenance agreement that will be the same as the startup cost.
  • Evidence: “No, it’s going to be the same going forward and what I’m going to say is that everything obviously year to year you know once they have a demand they put it at the left.”
  • Source timestamp: 31:45

• ADA Website Cost Comparison

  • Summary: The speaker stated that the cost was lower than anticipated, but emphasized that paying upfront would be cheaper than any potential fines.
  • Evidence: “I will say whatever this cost is, it’s going to be cheaper than any fine we would get if we were missing something.”
  • Source timestamp: 32:49

• ADA Website Implementation Timeline

  • Summary: If approved by the County Board, implementation could happen within a week, putting the county ahead of schedule.
  • Evidence: “And as soon as we vote on it, if I have a County Board, I can have it implemented probably within a week and we’re way ahead of the deadline and we’re stopping going.”
  • Source timestamp: 33:08

• Tipton County Website Comparison

  • Summary: A speaker noted that another website (Advice88) uses the same system, which was described as fantastic.
  • Evidence: “I was digging through those Advice88 website and I got that these are using that same system and it went wow it’s fantastic”
  • Source timestamp: 33:56

• ADA Compliance Scope Clarification

  • Summary: The speaker clarified that the proposed solution is only for ADA compliance assistance and does not change the core website content.
  • Evidence: “No, this is a website. This is just for ADA compliance to help people get where they’re trying to go.”
  • Source timestamp: 35:07

• Historical ADA Compliance Consultation

  • Summary: A speaker recalled being contacted four years prior by a New York City law firm that offered settlements regarding ADA compliance.
  • Evidence: “So four years ago or so, I got contacted by a law firm in New York City that was just randomly looking up websites to see if they were ADA compliant or not. And they would offer a settlement to avoid litigation.”
  • Source timestamp: 35:32

• ADA Compliance Website Functionality

  • Summary: The website’s ADA compliance feature is for accessibility, such as inverting colors for people with vision issues, and does not change the original website.
  • Evidence: “No, this is a website. This is just for ADA compliance to help people get where they’re trying to go. If they’re having trouble reading, it’ll take it and I forget what they call it, invert the colors to where it’s a black background. Things to help people with vision issues, hearing issues, things of that nature. It does not change the only website at all.”
  • Source timestamp: 35:07

• ADA Compliance Vendor Service

  • Summary: A company called Audio Hi, independent of the bank’s management, was able to implement ADA compliance for the speaker’s bank website for an annual fee of eight or 900 bucks.
  • Evidence: “So I got hooked up with a company called Audio. Hi. Completely independent of who manages my bank’s website. And they were able to put it on there. And I paid eight or 900 bucks for it annually.”
  • Source timestamp: 35:53

• ADA Compliance Requirement Scope

  • Summary: The speaker needs assurance that whatever solution is implemented will be able to read documents loaded into the website, such as PDFs from various departments.
  • Evidence: “Well, it’s with the clear docs and everything, I would just have to make sure that it’s going to read the documents that we have loaded into our website, you know, because every department puts in PDFs and things of that nature.”
  • Source timestamp: 36:35

• ADA Compliance Timeline Assessment

  • Summary: The speaker believes there is plenty of time for compliance, estimating they are ahead of schedule until April of 2027.
  • Evidence: “I mean, we have, we have plenty of time. We’re ahead of this because I think it’s April of 2027 I think is is what we have until.”
  • Source timestamp: 36:56

• ADA Compliance Tool Availability

  • Summary: A tool is available that can scan a website and immediately report its compliance issues.
  • Evidence: “So yeah, I just did a, they offer a tool. You can scan your website and it tells you your issues with it right away.”
  • Source timestamp: 37:25

• Financial Concern Regarding Compliance Cost

  • Summary: The speaker noted that an estimated cost of $13,000 is a large sum.
  • Evidence: “I’m not skinning the game on this, but a thousand bucks, you’re at 13,000. Yeah, that’s a big number.”
  • Source timestamp: 37:31

• General Compliance Timeline Assurance

  • Summary: The speaker expressed a desire to ensure everything is operational for everyone and reiterated there is plenty of time.
  • Evidence: “I mean, I just want to make sure we’re up and running by everyone. We have plenty of time.”
  • Source timestamp: 37:45

• Primary Concern Regarding Document Searchability

  • Summary: The speaker’s biggest concern remains the search functionality within documents.
  • Evidence: “My biggest concern will be the documents. I mean, I’m sure there’s people that can do the search.”
  • Source timestamp: 37:51

Proclamations and Recognitions

• Nate’s server upgrade assistance
  • Summary: The speaker gave thanks to Nate for assisting with a server upgrade and providing continuous updates throughout the holiday weekend.
  • Evidence: “I also forgot to say a huge thank you to Nate. They did a server upgrade and Nate, I don’t think will do his own thorn, but he communicated with us through the entire weekend, holiday weekend, and he continued to provide updates throughout the weekend.”
  • Source timestamp: 13:56

Follow-ups

• Election judge supplies and recruitment

  • Summary: The speaker acknowledged requests for more tissues and better sticky notes for election judges and plans to distribute a pink sheet for suggestions.
  • Evidence: “I want to relay some requests from a few election judges I was speaking to. They wanted more tissues and better sticky notes. And we got, we are on that. We actually have a pink sheet that goes with all the election judges where they can put suggestions.”
  • Source timestamp: 12:57

• Shredding services receptacle delivery

  • Summary: The shredding services will deliver new receptacles to the county on the 21st, and they offered to remove the old ones since their prior company went out of business.
  • Evidence: “And an update on the shredding services, they will be coming to the county to deliver the new receptacles on the 21st. Since the company that we had And since the company that we had prior went out of business, they have offered to remove the old receptacles for us because that was a question we all had is like, what do we do with the other ones since they wanted theirs? So they did offer to do that, starting their contract.”
  • Source timestamp: 19:16

• ADA Compliance Vendor Investigation

  • Summary: The speaker offered to contact a company and investigate their capabilities regarding ADA compliance.
  • Evidence: “So if you want me to look up that company, I’d gladly contact them and just see what they can do.”
  • Source timestamp: 37:18