WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 Thank you guys for the delay in our start time. Justin, could you please give the invocation this evening? 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:17.000 Alright, well good evening. Good evening Madam Mayor, everyone. Please pray with me. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:25.000 The Lord of Heaven and Earth, we praise you for your power and wisdom, for your mercy and grace. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:55.000 and thank you Lord for every good and perfect gift that you send down freely even as we ask from you so we thank you for your gifts of life and health thank you for community and relationships and with tonight in mind we thank you for governance and leadership and we thank you for this city and we thank you for all of our public servants throughout City Hall 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.000 and the City of New York. 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.000 We thank you for your support throughout our various 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.000 departments. We thank you, too, for various organizations and 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:07.000 nonprofits and skilled citizens that help our city and the 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.000 people of Freeport. Lord, you actively rule the 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:15.000 nations and you give freely to those who ask you the knowledge 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.000 to live well and the skill to apply that knowledge. 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.000 So I ask that you would grant that to us and to our leaders. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:29.359 May they find your mercy and grace as well for their own faults and your help in their 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:30.359 weaknesses. 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:37.000 Lord, please help each one of us tonight to act honorably before you and that we would 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:40.480 be patient and gracious towards each other. 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:48.280 And again, I pray that you'd give Mayor Miller as our moderator the wisdom, grace, and strength 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.260 that she needs to lead this meeting well, 00:01:51.260 --> 00:01:54.780 as well as to each council member and department head. 00:01:54.780 --> 00:01:56.359 Father, you've designed us. 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.659 You have gifted each one of us. 00:01:59.659 --> 00:02:03.099 We are entirely dependent upon you for success in our work, 00:02:03.099 --> 00:02:05.620 and so we ask for your help tonight. 00:02:05.620 --> 00:02:07.299 We pray in Jesus' name, amen. 00:02:07.299 --> 00:02:08.139 Amen. 00:02:08.139 --> 00:02:08.979 Amen. 00:02:08.979 --> 00:02:09.939 Thank you. 00:02:09.939 --> 00:02:11.759 So now we'll officially call this meeting to order. 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:13.879 Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll? 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:14.979 Mayor Miller. 00:02:14.979 --> 00:02:15.819 Here. 00:02:15.819 --> 00:02:23.259 Alderperson Klemm will be marked absent for the moment. Monroe is also absent. Simmons? 00:02:23.259 --> 00:02:33.740 Here. Parker? Here. Stacy? Here. Shadle? Here. Sanders? Here. And Sellers? Here. If I could 00:02:33.740 --> 00:02:42.219 please get a motion to allow Alderman Klemm to remote access? So moved. Second. Parker? Is there a 00:02:42.219 --> 00:03:12.219 Mm, Second. So we have a motion made by Alderman Parker, second by Alderman Sellers, to allow Alderman Klemmen to remain remote. Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll? Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. And if you could please note that at 614 Alderman Klemm is present. And if you could please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance led by Aldermen Simmons? 00:03:12.219 --> 00:03:37.219 Ed, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:03:37.219 --> 00:03:46.759 Okay. Item number one is approval of the agenda. However, we're going to move item number 16 to the next meeting and then there is no executive. So with that, is there a motion to approve the agenda? 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:54.560 So moved. Second. Motion made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Sellers. Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll? 00:03:54.560 --> 00:04:06.960 Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. And Klemm? Aye. Motion passes 7 to 0. 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:11.960 Item number two is approval from the minutes from the regular meeting October 7th, 2024. Is there a motion to approve? 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:16.960 Second. 00:04:16.960 --> 00:04:22.960 We have a motion made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Parker. Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll? 00:04:22.960 --> 00:04:23.960 Simmons? Aye. 00:04:23.960 --> 00:04:24.960 Parker? Aye. 00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:25.960 Stacy? Aye. 00:04:25.960 --> 00:04:26.960 Shadle? Aye. 00:04:26.960 --> 00:04:27.960 Sanders? Aye. 00:04:27.960 --> 00:04:28.960 Sellers? Aye. 00:04:28.960 --> 00:04:29.960 Klemm? Aye. 00:04:31.960 --> 00:04:33.960 Motion passes, seven to zero. 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:44.680 Zero. 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:49.759 This public comment was received this afternoon from John Cook, good evening members of the 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:51.919 Freeport City Council and others. 00:04:51.919 --> 00:04:56.560 First reading of Ordinance 2024-57 is before you tonight asking for the boundaries of the 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.399 Northwest Illinois Enterprise Zone to be amended. 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.039 This ordinance should be rejected as written because of three glaring omissions within 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:08.560 and the body of the ordinance. The first whereas paragraph offers no numerical citation to 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:13.520 the previous ordinances that this ordinance relies upon to be reflective. The second whereas 00:05:13.520 --> 00:05:18.680 paragraph contains no citation to any meeting of the Enterprise Zone Committee where the 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:23.960 crust for this amendment originated. Section 2 of the ordinance refers to, quote, 00:05:23.960 --> 00:05:28.640 benefits created by the ordinance of the original Enterprise Zone, end quote, yet contains 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:30.639 to make a statement if there is no specific citation to the ordinances. 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.639 Without proper direct and specific citation within the ordinances 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:37.639 it is practically impossible for the Freeport City Council 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:40.639 or any member of the public to know what specific incentives 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:43.639 Ordinance 2024-57 grants the developer. 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:46.639 How would anyone know what ordinance to ask the Municipal Clerk 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:49.639 in an effort to learn what benefits are being given away? 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:52.639 To be honest, in 30 plus years of following 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.639 local government Ordinance 2024-57 00:05:55.639 --> 00:06:09.899 ��고� 프�ين composed past ordinance ordinance 2024-57 is the most shoulderly incomplete ordinance I've ever read completely lacking citation from any previously passed ordnance ordinance 2024-57 can have no legal meaning in this layman's view. 00:06:09.899 --> 00:06:16.680 Please, City Council remember you are passing a written ordinance not with City Manager Boyer presents thank you very much for your time and attention. 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:23.400 Fenton, John, Samuel, Cook Okay, there's quite a few that are signed 00:06:23.400 --> 00:06:30.120 in for this evening. However, I do have one that's added on here that is not on the agenda 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.519 and Mr. Folgate comes every year to talk a little bit. Would that be okay if he talks 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:40.519 at this time instead of waiting to the end? Anyone object? Okay, so we'll start at the 00:06:40.519 --> 00:07:03.579 Cecelia Stacy, Fifth Ward Alderwoman, It has come to our attention that there was a 00:07:03.579 --> 00:07:11.579 It's a FOIA request for all documents pertaining to the Open Bible Water Main Extension. 00:07:11.579 --> 00:07:21.879 Per your email response, Ms. Anderson, you stated that you had looked for these documents 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.779 and there are none. 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:31.180 This is concerning because on September the 3rd, City Manager Boyer sent the Council a 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:52.180 and I quote, through a series of documents the information details the city agreed upon regarding the water main extension in 1999 to be installed between three to five years. 00:07:52.180 --> 00:08:00.180 When I asked you directly at the October 14th COW if you had looked for these same documents, 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:12.180 You told me the council, you told this council and the people of Freeport that you had not looked for them and that you had not been directed to. 00:08:13.180 --> 00:08:17.180 Can you explain to the council why we have a series of discrepancies? 00:08:18.180 --> 00:08:21.180 Our City Manager said we had the documents. 00:08:22.180 --> 00:08:25.180 You told a four year request that they did not exist. 00:08:26.180 --> 00:08:29.180 And last week you said you hadn't looked. 00:08:30.180 --> 00:08:34.680 What are the people of Freeport supposed to believe? 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:37.480 Thank you. 00:08:42.460 --> 00:08:43.299 Lynn Fogate. 00:08:49.580 --> 00:08:51.299 Good evening, your city council members. 00:08:51.299 --> 00:08:53.539 Thanks for allowing me to speak to you, 00:08:53.539 --> 00:08:57.539 to our guests and the TV audience as well. 00:08:57.539 --> 00:09:09.539 Most of you know I am Lynn Polgate because I have spoke to you before for our Freeport Moose Lodge, the oldest lodge in Illinois. It was established in 1909. 00:09:09.539 --> 00:09:23.539 Remember the Moose supports the Moose Heart, the child city near Chicago. Also know that Moose Heart has provided a home for over 2,000 children since its origination in 1913. 00:09:23.539 --> 00:09:32.659 I spoke about the Moose Lodge before, this time speaking about asking your help for the 00:09:32.659 --> 00:09:40.059 Freeport area, for North Carolina that was hit by the Hurricane Helene. 00:09:40.059 --> 00:09:48.219 Also needing help is Florida's devastation by Hurricane Milton with over 230 no one dead 00:09:48.219 --> 00:09:50.899 from the recent hurricanes and flooding. 00:09:50.899 --> 00:09:57.819 The reason Freeport Lodge is asking for your help is due to the many lodges requested special 00:09:57.819 --> 00:10:00.019 dispensation from Mooseheart. 00:10:00.019 --> 00:10:02.019 and 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:05.019 the 00:10:06.019 --> 00:10:08.019 Board of Trustees. 00:10:10.019 --> 00:10:12.019 We are also working on the 00:10:13.019 --> 00:10:17.019 dispensation from Mooseheart to support North Carolina and Florida, 00:10:17.019 --> 00:10:22.019 causing over $50 billion. Consequently, the officials at Moose 00:10:22.019 --> 00:10:27.019 International authorized a blanket dispensation so that all the 00:10:27.019 --> 00:10:35.419 Officers want to also do our part to help the hurricane victims of these states it was decided 00:10:35.419 --> 00:10:42.379 that we will act as a donation coordinator so that even small donations can be collected and sent 00:10:43.179 --> 00:10:49.419 to help these states in their rebuilding efforts to make it easy for everyone to donate to this cause 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:55.740 checks your cash can be dropped off at the Freeport Moose Lodge our new address is 00:10:55.740 --> 00:11:00.740 is 440 East Challenge Street, Freeport, Illinois. 00:11:01.819 --> 00:11:03.819 By the way, I got copies of this 00:11:03.819 --> 00:11:06.860 because I got other addresses and phone numbers. 00:11:06.860 --> 00:11:08.259 You don't have to write it down. 00:11:08.259 --> 00:11:10.500 You'll get a copy of this speech. 00:11:10.500 --> 00:11:12.939 The Freeport Moose Lodge new location 00:11:12.939 --> 00:11:16.019 is one block north of a former lodge 00:11:16.019 --> 00:11:19.579 across the street from the Super 8 Motel. 00:11:19.579 --> 00:11:22.539 It's a white building and we have a sign up 00:11:22.539 --> 00:11:24.339 on a nearby post. 00:11:24.340 --> 00:11:32.779 For Florida, checks can be made payable to Florida Moose Association or simply FMA. 00:11:32.779 --> 00:11:43.460 If you choose to mail directly to FMA, mail to FMA Post Office Box 2863, Stanford, Florida. 00:11:43.460 --> 00:11:45.100 I got the zip here. 00:11:45.100 --> 00:11:49.220 Attention, Dan O'Neill, FMA Secretary. 00:11:49.220 --> 00:12:08.220 For more information, you can call Ken Cotsenbader, Freeport's Moose Lodge Administrator. His phone number is 815-232-1516 or his cell phone 815-238-1555. 00:12:08.220 --> 00:12:16.220 Thanks for your attention and thanks for supporting and help for Florida and North Carolina. 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:18.220 Thank you, Lynne. 00:12:30.779 --> 00:12:39.099 Please note that 623 Alderman Monroe entered and next on the list is Andrea Schultz-Winter. 00:12:46.220 --> 00:12:50.220 Andrew Schultz-Winner, 521 South Harvey, Freeport, Illinois. 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:57.220 When we think about the infrastructure needed for economic development and growth, child care is imperative. 00:12:57.220 --> 00:13:01.220 Residents cannot go to work if they don't have a place for their child to go. 00:13:01.220 --> 00:13:06.220 Open Bible currently has 174 students enrolled. 00:13:06.220 --> 00:13:11.220 43 children attend their school age program kindergarten to fifth grade. 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:18.720 The remaining 131 children are aged 3 to 5 years of age and attend their preschool child care program. 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:27.720 The demographic makeup of those students are 62% are Caucasian, 37% are African-American, 1% are Asian. 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:37.720 49% of those children qualify for free and reduced lunch. 47 families qualify for child care assistance program. 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:43.319 Last summer, Open Bible offered safe, dependable child care for 170 children. 00:13:43.319 --> 00:13:48.940 This allowed families to remain in the workforce while their children were out of school. 00:13:48.940 --> 00:13:53.120 Birth to Five is a regional organization that serves northwest Illinois and has collected 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:55.120 data around child care. 00:13:55.120 --> 00:14:01.600 Currently, there are 5,132 children in Stevenson, Carroll, and Joe Davis counties that are zero 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:03.440 to five years of age. 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:04.440 &연. 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:10.960 Currently, there are child care slots for approximately 25% of those children or 1264 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:13.399 children. 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:21.399 Data from the Bipartisan Policy Center dated from 2019, so quite dated, five years old, 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:22.600 this data. 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:28.740 For Stevenson County alone, there was eight hundred and seventy child care slots needed. 00:14:28.740 --> 00:14:33.980 It is estimated that the annual economic burden of child care gaps within Stevenson County 00:14:33.980 --> 00:14:37.860 alone is $18 million. 00:14:37.860 --> 00:14:40.420 This is made up of three separate impacts. 00:14:40.420 --> 00:14:47.160 The loss of income for individual households, business impact due to direct productivity 00:14:47.160 --> 00:14:53.500 losses for businesses, as well as future lost earnings from turnover cost and inability 00:14:53.500 --> 00:14:57.879 to take advantage of growth opportunities. 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:04.200 and also, lastly, tax revenue impacts, the proportion of lost household and business income 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.519 that would have contributed to government revenues. 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.799 Our child care crisis isn't just holding back working parents and their children. 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:14.740 It's actively harming our economy. 00:15:14.740 --> 00:15:22.839 Many Freeport families make ends meet because both parents are employed outside the home. 00:15:22.839 --> 00:15:26.860 That can happen when we have safe, dependable child care options. 00:15:26.860 --> 00:15:33.460 Land Care is a necessity, a necessary infrastructure for our households and our businesses. Thank 00:15:33.460 --> 00:15:43.460 you. Thank you. 00:15:43.460 --> 00:15:45.460 And next on the list is Dee Sanders. 00:15:45.460 --> 00:16:00.339 Good evening, I'd first like to thank the council for allowing me to stand. 00:16:00.339 --> 00:16:05.059 I am not Dee Moore, but I am Elder Charlene Williams, and I'm standing here tonight on 00:16:05.059 --> 00:16:12.440 behalf of the renaming, not renaming, but adding to the sign on Armstrong and State 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:21.039 Bishop James, Arthur Wade. We have filed all our paperwork. We have met the 51% requirement. 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:27.399 We have been working on this for over a year. Many of you on the City Council know Bishop 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:33.240 James Wade. He's been a pillar within this community. His children were raised here. 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.920 His wife was a schoolteacher. Bishop Wade was a part of the school board. He's a part 00:16:37.920 --> 00:16:40.200 of the Minister's Fellowship Alliance. 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.080 And not only that, I'm sure many of you have seen him 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:47.519 driving with his truck and wagon trailer 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.059 where he helps the elderly that can't afford 00:16:50.059 --> 00:16:51.440 to mow their lawns. 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.879 And he also helps with other things throughout the community. 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.799 The funeral homes here in the city of Freeport 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:01.480 know him by name personally, because when COVID hit 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.480 and other things happened, he was one of the pastors 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:06.400 in the community that would allow those 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:10.720 who couldn't afford it to come in and have services there. 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.679 We have met all of the requirements 00:17:13.679 --> 00:17:18.679 and we're simply asking that this petition be granted for us. 00:17:18.679 --> 00:17:20.279 Thank you so much for hearing me. 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:21.179 Thank you, Charlene. 00:17:21.179 --> 00:17:23.519 So does that mean that D, you don't wanna speak? 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:24.359 Okay. 00:17:28.779 --> 00:17:31.359 Then we will move on to Jennifer Fuller. 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:54.400 I would like to thank the council for letting me speak tonight. I am the current day care director at Open Bible Learning Center. I am very nervous. That is why I went into education because children don't judge you. So please bear with me. 00:17:54.400 --> 00:18:09.400 A little bit of history. Robert Bush and Irene Bush had First Church of the Open Bible located on West Chestnut Street from 1944 to 1969 when they moved to our current facility at 3800 West Stevenson Street. 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:23.400 In 1970, First Church of the Open Bible Day Nursery opened to serve the public. In 1975, they broke ground for a new educational center to provide larger facilities for the Open Bible Day Nursery. 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:31.400 In 1999, ground was broken for the new Open Bible Family and Learning Center, which is the building we are talking about. 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:37.400 In 2005, Dr. Burles Parker took over as Senior Pastor and Administrator for the Bushes. 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.400 In 2009, I took over as Child Care Director. 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:48.400 And when Burles Parker retired in 2022, Derek Strickland took over as Senior Pastor and Administrator. 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:56.400 Open Bible Learning Center is a non-profit licensed child care center with the Department of Children and Family Services, also known as DCFS. 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:06.400 Because of all these changes over the years and the size of our building, we are currently licensed capacity of 217 children ages 2 through 12. 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:13.400 We are open year-round full-time from 6.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Monday through Friday. 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.400 We are only closed six major holidays. 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:22.480 We are open year-round full-time for families that have to work and need 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:27.639 somewhere for their children to go. After COVID we decided to close on Black 00:19:27.639 --> 00:19:34.319 Friday and now starting next year we will be closed on Good Friday. Yes, we were 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:40.699 even open on a religious holiday for parents who still need to work. License 00:19:40.699 --> 00:19:44.840 inspections occur every three years with yearly monitoring inspections or more 00:19:44.840 --> 00:19:52.400 Moore, with DCFS. Both myself and the pastor handle the license inspections depending on 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:59.160 the materials or paperwork needed. At the three-year license renewal, DCFS contacts the State Fire 00:19:59.159 --> 00:20:01.880 Marshall. 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:06.440 Contacts the State Fire Marshal for inspection of the facilities. 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:11.800 Violations of any type noted by DCFS or the Fire Marshal require fixing and corrective 00:20:11.800 --> 00:20:16.520 action plans for license continuation. 00:20:16.520 --> 00:20:20.840 Previous license inspections addressed the fire sprinkler system in the capacity that 00:20:20.840 --> 00:20:24.760 annual tests of the sprinkler system are to be conducted. 00:20:24.760 --> 00:20:30.800 This was first noted on our 2021 license review from all the paperwork that I have gone through 00:20:30.800 --> 00:20:34.080 for our previous license renewal. 00:20:34.080 --> 00:20:35.960 When it was brought up by the fire marshal 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:39.600 that there was no water access for the system to be hooked up, 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:42.160 Dr. Parker, as Senior Administrator, 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:46.000 was instructed to post a sign on the system at access points 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:47.840 so the local fire department was aware 00:20:47.840 --> 00:20:49.360 they would have to hook up to the system 00:20:49.360 --> 00:20:50.800 in case of an emergency. 00:20:50.800 --> 00:20:52.960 Jennifer, your three minutes has expired. 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:53.480 OK. 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:54.440 Are you close to being done? 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:55.720 I'm close to being done, yes. 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.640 Like, what, two lines? 00:20:57.640 --> 00:20:59.280 I don't want to. 00:20:59.280 --> 00:20:59.800 OK. 00:20:59.800 --> 00:21:05.240 I can stop. I can give you guys a point out that I don't have copies tonight, but I can 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:21.160 definitely give it. Good, thank you. And then we have Luanne Hayes. Good evening, everyone. 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:26.640 Luanne Hayes, 1021 West Douglas Street, Freeport, Illinois. As many of you know, I am with Bertha 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.480 and 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:56.440 Andrea referenced a little bit ago I'm just here for statistics it's all I'm here for right now in Freeport we have six hundred and forty six spots for child care that includes open Bible we have two thousand one hundred and seventy children who need it ages zero to five that leaves a gap right now not from 2019 was five hundred and some our gap now 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:08.440 Fowler, and now is 1,524. 70% of our kids do not have child care, access to child care, or day care. 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:24.440 Now, that's here in Freeport, and Andrea talked about the region as well, but we cannot afford, our community cannot afford to lose any slots here, especially in Freeport. 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:28.440 I have a flyer for you, and I'm under my three minutes. 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:26.280 Oh, I like your top, too. 00:23:26.280 --> 00:23:27.280 Okay. 00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:30.160 Oh, and just to make it rounded, I like your top, too. 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:31.160 Okay. 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:34.360 You still have 50 seconds if you want to use it. 00:23:34.360 --> 00:23:36.480 I could do a little song and dance. 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:37.480 No, we'll end it. 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:38.480 Okay. 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:39.480 I could. 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:40.480 I could. 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:41.480 Okay. 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:42.480 Fowler. 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:50.760 Okay, last on the list is Ashley Harms. 00:23:50.760 --> 00:23:57.200 Hi, y'all. 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:58.200 I'm Ashley Harms. 00:23:58.200 --> 00:23:59.800 I am from Amity here in Freeport. 00:23:59.800 --> 00:24:01.160 I also live in Freeport. 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:04.920 The address of Amity and the King Community Campus is 511 South Liberty. 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:05.920 I know. 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:06.920 We're competitors, right? 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:08.640 Us and Open Bible. 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.680 I serve on the Birth to Five Committee. 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:16.040 We've been looking at these numbers for a really long time and the state and everybody else 00:24:16.040 --> 00:24:19.160 is working on focusing on building up child care. 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:25.080 The last thing we need to do is make a center close. 00:24:25.080 --> 00:24:26.700 It doesn't look good for Freeport. 00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:29.040 It's not good for our working families. 00:24:29.040 --> 00:24:33.800 I could enroll double my enrollment tomorrow with my waiting list. 00:24:33.800 --> 00:24:37.600 I'm sure Open Bible could too. 00:24:37.600 --> 00:24:40.540 I understand that it is very costly. 00:24:40.540 --> 00:24:43.540 Everything these days is extremely costly. 00:24:43.540 --> 00:24:46.200 If Open Bible is willing to do their piece and pay 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:47.680 from the street to their building, 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:49.940 like any of the rest of us would, 00:24:49.940 --> 00:24:53.440 I think the right solution here is to run, 00:24:54.620 --> 00:24:56.260 run the line for the kids. 00:24:56.260 --> 00:24:58.620 It's for the kids, and it's not just for the kids. 00:24:58.620 --> 00:25:00.700 As Andrea said, and as Luanne said, 00:25:00.700 --> 00:25:02.540 it's an infrastructure issue. 00:25:02.540 --> 00:25:04.620 Our families need to be able to go to work. 00:25:04.620 --> 00:25:09.060 We are already struggling to enroll families every day. 00:25:09.060 --> 00:25:11.180 We can't get them all in now. 00:25:11.180 --> 00:25:13.980 What would happen if Open Bible were to close 00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:17.140 and we lost 170 more slots of childcare? 00:25:17.140 --> 00:25:19.180 How many more employers are you going to have 00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:22.340 that don't have workers coming in 00:25:22.340 --> 00:25:24.220 because they don't have childcare? 00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:26.100 We should be building up childcare. 00:25:26.100 --> 00:25:29.380 In fact, I don't think it's far off to ask later 00:25:29.380 --> 00:25:32.380 for you guys to help us expand some of our buildings 00:25:32.380 --> 00:25:34.340 or to help us do more. 00:25:34.340 --> 00:25:39.120 This is not the time at all to do less, that I can say. 00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:42.100 And I hope the right decision is made to save their program. 00:25:42.100 --> 00:25:43.640 Have a great night. 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:44.480 Thank you. 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:51.660 That concludes public comments. 00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:53.120 We'll move on to item number four, 00:25:53.120 --> 00:25:54.920 which is the consent agenda. 00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.120 The consent agenda is considered to be routine in nature 00:25:57.120 --> 00:25:58.640 and acted as one motion, unless there's a member 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:00.080 of the council would like to have something removed 00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:01.220 for further discussion. 00:26:01.220 --> 00:26:09.620 Seeing none, the consent agenda consists of approval to receive and place on file minutes 00:26:09.620 --> 00:26:14.220 from boards and commissions for foreign fire minutes dated August 8th. 00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:18.220 The Library Board of Trustees dated September 11th and the Liquor Commission dated September 00:26:18.220 --> 00:26:21.300 12th and 27th, 2024. 00:26:21.300 --> 00:26:25.860 The Building Permit Report and the Fire Department Report dated September 2024. 00:26:25.860 --> 00:26:30.420 The Freeport Housing Authority Monthly Report dated September 18th, 2024. 00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:36.500 the Greater Freeport Partnership Monthly Report dated September 25th, 2024, the Finance Report 00:26:36.500 --> 00:26:41.740 and Cash and Investment Report for August 2024, the approval of the finance bills payable 00:26:41.740 --> 00:26:49.780 in the total of $2,836,656.02 and the approval of payroll for pay period ending October 5th, 00:26:49.780 --> 00:26:58.500 2024 in the total of $641,274.96. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? 00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:28.500 Somo. Second. We have a motion made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Sellers. Any discussion? Madam Clerk, please take the roll. Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. And Monroe? No. Motion passes, seven to one. 00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:34.400 Thank you. Item number five is the second reading of Ordinance 2024-54A. Could you please 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:40.360 read this? Ordinance amending Chapter 220, Council, Section 220.06, Compensation of the 00:27:40.360 --> 00:27:43.980 Code of Ordinances. Thank you. Manager Boyer? 00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:51.440 Thank you, Your Honor. At the last Council meeting, it was requested to break up these 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:57.640 three positions into three separate ordinances, so that has been done. And I think we were 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:05.720 at a, we're at a position where Council should move forward with the direction that they, 00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:09.800 they so choose. 00:28:09.800 --> 00:28:17.160 And can you refresh what the dollar change or what was, what was given on the first reading 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:18.720 for Council members? 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.120 Dovie, would you have that? 00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:25.039 Would you be able to go through the minutes on that? 00:28:25.040 --> 00:28:32.560 Aaron or Attorney Zito. Sure so for the the first item on the agenda for with 00:28:32.560 --> 00:28:36.320 regards to the pay for elected officials is for the City Council. Currently our 00:28:36.320 --> 00:28:43.280 code provides that the annual pay to the Alderman is $3,800 per year. The 00:28:43.280 --> 00:28:50.560 direction from the council was to increase that to $4,500 per year. 00:28:50.560 --> 00:28:56.600 Any further discussion, Council? 00:28:56.600 --> 00:29:01.000 Seeing none, Madam Clerk, would you please take the roll? 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.480 Did you have a question, Alderman Stacy? 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.320 I'm just kind of lost. 00:29:06.320 --> 00:29:16.360 Okay, could you please take the roll? 00:29:16.360 --> 00:29:17.520 Simmons? 00:29:17.520 --> 00:29:18.200 Aye. 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:18.800 Parker? 00:29:18.800 --> 00:29:19.400 Aye. 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:43.160 Stacy, today, Shadle, no, Sanders, Sellers, no, Klemm, no, Monroe, no, I have a tie, don't I? 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:48.160 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 2, 4. Mayor, what say you? 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:57.960 Okay. The Council has not received any pay increase for a long time of any significance. 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:03.580 I know that this is 18% increase, but the dollar amount is pretty small. It's a very 00:30:03.580 --> 00:30:07.600 small increase on a yearly basis. When you break it down in the month, it's barely anything. 00:30:07.600 --> 00:30:10.600 So aye. 00:30:10.600 --> 00:30:14.400 The motion passes, five to four. 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:22.360 Item Number 6 is the second reading of Ordinance 2024-54B. Could you please read this? 00:30:22.360 --> 00:30:36.840 Ordinance amending Chapter 226, Mayor, Section 226.03, Compensation of the Code of Ordinances. 00:30:36.840 --> 00:30:38.840 and Michael. 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:47.660 I have nothing else to add to the previous discussion. 00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.280 I believe both the Mayor's salary and the clerks were a 5% 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.400 increase. That accurate? 00:31:06.840 --> 00:31:07.840 and others. 00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:16.200 This agenda item is for the Mayor's compensation, so it is a 5% increase for the four years, 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:17.440 each of the four years. 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:25.519 So it'll go from 29,330, then in the second year it will go to 32,030, in the third year 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:33.860 it goes to 33,630, and then the fourth year it goes to 36,670. 00:31:33.860 --> 00:31:44.580 So is there discussion on the salary package for mayor? 00:31:44.580 --> 00:31:45.580 Seeing none. 00:31:45.580 --> 00:31:46.580 Yeah. 00:31:46.580 --> 00:31:47.580 Alderman Sellers. 00:31:47.580 --> 00:31:55.420 I guess I was okay with the 3 percent, but not with the 5, that's me. 00:31:55.420 --> 00:31:57.700 She did not hear you honey. 00:31:57.700 --> 00:32:05.980 I said I was okay with the 3% with the first proposal, but not with the 5. 00:32:05.980 --> 00:32:10.140 Alderman Stacey? 00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:13.539 I did some homework on this. 00:32:13.539 --> 00:32:26.820 And what I'm okay with is 5% the first year, 4% the second year, 3% the third year, and 00:32:26.820 --> 00:32:28.820 and a couple of other things. 00:32:29.820 --> 00:32:32.259 So I think we are moving forward. 00:32:36.320 --> 00:32:38.320 We're moving forward by 2% the fourth year. 00:32:47.120 --> 00:32:49.120 Well, it seems we have a different opinion. 00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:53.420 I know that it was moved forward was the 5% like was stated. 00:32:56.820 --> 00:33:13.820 I believe there was an actual motion for the 5% that was motion made, seconded, and then voted on for 5% for both the mayor and the clerks. 00:33:13.820 --> 00:33:16.820 And who made that motion? 00:33:16.820 --> 00:33:18.820 I believe it was Alderman Klemm. 00:33:18.820 --> 00:33:19.820 I'm looking it up. 00:33:19.820 --> 00:33:25.820 Alderman Klemm said zero for the mayor. 00:33:25.820 --> 00:33:45.259 there was a motion to have it remain the same that failed Monroe moved Alderperson 00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:51.660 Sanders seconded that the Mayor's salary be increased to 555 the motion 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:55.660 Past, 5 to 3. 00:33:55.660 --> 00:34:05.460 Well, if there's no further discussion. 00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:09.579 Simmons? 00:34:09.579 --> 00:34:11.380 What are we voting on? 00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:18.180 On the 5-5-5-5 as presented upon second reading of the ordinance. 00:34:18.180 --> 00:34:25.740 OK, so if I am not mistaken, we were told that we could come back and bottle that. 00:34:25.740 --> 00:34:32.500 And so Alderman Sellers just said that she was OK with the 3%, but not the 5, 00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:33.980 am I correct? 00:34:33.980 --> 00:34:36.420 So we're not discussing that. 00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:37.539 That's what the pause is. 00:34:37.539 --> 00:34:39.539 I'm waiting for you to tell me what you want to do. 00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:40.619 Nobody's saying anything. 00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:49.579 Right, so if at this point you guys are in discussion, so if someone wants to make a 00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:56.940 motion to change it, to propose a change from 5% to something other than 5%, people can 00:34:56.940 --> 00:35:03.519 do that. 00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:14.140 I make a motion that we change the 5% to five the first year, four the second year, three 00:35:14.140 --> 00:35:18.400 the third year, and two the last year. 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.840 I second it. 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:28.320 Okay, so we have a motion on the floor made by Alderman Stacy, seconded by Alderman Sanders 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:34.760 to change the ordinance as how it was moved forward to 5-4-3-2. 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:35.760 Discussion on the change. 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:49.519 Okay, I guess if there's no discussion, then Madam Clerk, would you take the role on passing 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:53.240 the Mayor's package to be 5% increase down to 2? 00:35:53.240 --> 00:35:54.240 Nope. 00:35:54.240 --> 00:35:56.000 It's just on the amendment. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.079 It's just on a proposed amendment. 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:06.440 Marshall, and Dewey and described the 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:07.740 motion to change the motion. 00:36:07.740 --> 00:36:08.740 Thank you. 00:36:08.740 --> 00:36:09.740 Okay. 00:36:09.740 --> 00:36:11.039 Mr. Cooney, there is no further discussion. 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.740 We're going to call the roll call. 00:36:12.740 --> 00:36:16.280 So if you could all stand up full-time. 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:18.280 So, one, one, two, three. 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:19.280 All right. 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:20.280 All right. 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:21.280 So, it's not going to be a vote of 5402. 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:22.280 We're not going to make a motion to change the motion, as I said, with the rest of the 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:23.280 motion, so we're going to make a motion to change the motion with a motion of 5402. 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:24.280 That's a proposal. 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:25.280 We're not going to make a motion to change the motion. 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:26.280 We're not making a motion to change the motion with a proposed amendment to 5432. 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.280 Okay. 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:34.119 on just the change. If it is approved, then you guys will go back to the vote as amended 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:42.039 with 5-4-3-2. If it fails, the proposed change to 5-4-3-2, then you're back to 5%. There 00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.000 can be another motion if someone wants to propose something different, or you're asking 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:51.680 to vote on the 5%. So could you please take the role on the amendment 00:36:51.680 --> 00:37:20.199 only, Simmons, Parker, Stacey, Shadle, Sanders, Sellers, Klemm, Monroe. We are tied at 4 to 4. Mayor. I vote no on the amendment. The proposed 00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:22.200 and 00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:24.460 the 00:37:25.460 --> 00:37:27.460 City Council. 00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:31.460 I'm sorry, can we express it differently? 00:37:33.460 --> 00:37:35.460 Word it differently? 00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:38.460 Come to the same conclusion of five percent? 00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:42.460 I'm sorry, can we express it differently? 00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:46.460 I'm sorry, can we express it differently? 00:38:16.460 --> 00:38:24.019 but collectively we have not had that okay that's what I'm trying to establish 00:38:24.019 --> 00:38:31.059 because we have we had not made that's why we're at the 4-4 constantly all the 00:38:31.059 --> 00:38:37.039 time and if that keeps going on we have to reword something so it so it would 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:41.240 satisfy the council. So what would be your rewording? That's what I'm saying we 00:38:41.240 --> 00:38:51.119 had not had a chance to discuss none of that. Maybe we should suspend it for now. 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.079 No, it actually has to go forward tonight. 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:54.079 Something has to go forward tonight. 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:55.079 By law. 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:56.079 Yeah. 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:57.079 Alderman Sellers. 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:10.440 I make a motion that we go back to the original 3 percent that we had offered. 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:12.480 Is there a second? 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.760 Second. 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.239 So now before you is an amendment 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.000 to move it to the original 3-3-3-3. 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.760 Any discussion on that amendment? 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.280 Madam Clerk, please take the roll. 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:31.280 Simmons? 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.000 Aye. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:32.559 Parker? 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:33.400 No. 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:33.900 Stacy? 00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:53.700 No. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? No. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. And Monroe? No. And we are again 00:39:53.700 --> 00:40:05.260 Tide, 4 to 4. Mayor? No. The motion fails, 4 to 5. 00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:18.059 You want to go ahead? Alright, so you guys are back to the underlying as proposed 5%. 00:40:23.700 --> 00:40:53.300 if there's no further discussion you have something I have something I well do I 00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:54.500 and I have your attention. 00:40:55.980 --> 00:40:57.140 Let's not waste time. 00:40:57.140 --> 00:41:02.140 Well, Mayor, we're talking about your wages. 00:41:02.140 --> 00:41:04.059 No, it's a Mayor's salary. 00:41:04.059 --> 00:41:06.059 A Mayor's salary, I'll put it like that. 00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:10.300 So we do need to take time since we don't take time 00:41:10.300 --> 00:41:15.300 to come up with conversation or discussions 00:41:15.740 --> 00:41:18.860 before this event takes place or this. 00:41:18.860 --> 00:41:20.980 This is the third meeting we've talked about it. 00:41:20.980 --> 00:41:21.820 Okay. 00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:27.300 I have no further discussion. 00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:29.300 Thank you. 00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:35.300 Madam Clerk, please, no, okay, go ahead. 00:41:35.300 --> 00:41:47.300 I will just, for the Council though, I mean, you guys have to come to some conclusion here because the way that our ordinance is drafted right now, 00:41:47.300 --> 00:41:53.380 it provides for the compensation for four years the last one being this year if you 00:41:53.380 --> 00:41:58.900 guys don't approve something whoever the mayor is come next term doesn't have a 00:41:58.900 --> 00:42:07.900 compensation whatsoever so you guys have to come up with something mine was 00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:16.980 rejected so what's before you right now is the original that was put forward at 00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:19.539 at the last meeting. 00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:21.820 Madam Clerk, if there's no further discussion, 00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:23.539 would you please take the roll? 00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:24.940 And could you state what that is? 00:42:24.940 --> 00:42:25.940 5%? 00:42:25.940 --> 00:42:26.660 That'd be correct. 00:42:26.660 --> 00:42:27.660 Year? 00:42:27.660 --> 00:42:28.420 That'd be correct. 00:42:28.420 --> 00:42:31.300 5% increase each year. 00:42:31.300 --> 00:42:32.460 Simmons? 00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:33.539 Aye. 00:42:33.539 --> 00:42:34.220 Parker? 00:42:34.220 --> 00:42:34.780 Aye. 00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:36.300 Stacy? 00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:37.140 Aye. 00:42:37.140 --> 00:42:38.019 Shadle? 00:42:38.019 --> 00:42:38.619 Aye. 00:42:38.619 --> 00:42:39.539 Sanders? 00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:40.099 Aye. 00:42:40.099 --> 00:42:41.059 Sellers? 00:42:41.059 --> 00:42:41.900 No. 00:42:41.900 --> 00:42:43.660 Klemm? 00:42:43.660 --> 00:42:44.539 No. 00:42:44.539 --> 00:42:45.340 And Monroe? 00:42:45.340 --> 00:42:46.860 Aye. 00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:52.860 The motion passes 6 to 2. 00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:57.460 So we will move on to item number 7, which is the second reading of Ordinance 2024-54C. 00:42:57.460 --> 00:42:59.059 Could you please read this? 00:42:59.059 --> 00:43:04.660 Ordinance amending Chapter 228, City Clerk, Section 22803, Compensation of the Code of 00:43:04.660 --> 00:43:05.660 Ordinances. 00:43:05.660 --> 00:43:14.099 You want to recap that? 00:43:14.099 --> 00:43:15.099 It's the same as the Mayor package. 00:43:15.099 --> 00:43:17.099 and 00:43:18.180 --> 00:43:24.340 Correct it's also as it moved out from first read it was a 5% increase to the clerk's salary 00:43:26.340 --> 00:43:32.559 That provides for then in the first year it'd be compensation of fifty eight thousand two fifty five in the second year 00:43:33.019 --> 00:43:40.019 It goes to sixty three thousand six fifteen and the third year it goes to sixty six thousand seven ninety five and in the fourth year 00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:43.900 It goes to seventy two seventy two thousand eight thirty which are five percent increases 00:43:45.099 --> 00:44:07.079 I would like to make a motion that we oppose two percent each year for the next four years. 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.000 Two percent. 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:11.000 Is there a second? 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.720 I second it. 00:44:13.720 --> 00:44:20.820 So now before you is the amendment proposed for a two percent increase each year versus 00:44:20.820 --> 00:44:21.820 the five. 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:26.760 Is there anything to discuss on that amendment? 00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.760 Yes. 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.360 So the original was four percent, right? 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:35.360 The original five? 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:36.360 Well. 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.480 The original was four percent that we first came? 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:47.980 I believe staff's original proposal was four percent, then council made the motion at the 00:44:47.980 --> 00:44:50.400 last meeting to raise it to five percent. 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:51.400 Staff was three percent. 00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:52.400 Oh, I'm sorry. 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:53.400 Staff requested four percent. 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:54.400 Okay. 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:55.400 Thank you. 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:56.400 Then council did five. 00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:00.640 There you go. 00:45:00.640 --> 00:45:05.240 So if there's no further discussion, Rick, yes, go ahead. 00:45:05.240 --> 00:45:15.240 Clerk, City Clerk Dovie, you said you, it was 3% and then you requested 4? 00:45:15.240 --> 00:45:26.240 Yes, I'm sorry, I didn't say that into the microphone. Staff's recommendation was 3, I requested 4, and then upon first reading, a council member suggested 5. 00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:30.240 Which I believe still comes back to it was Monroe and Sanders, correct? 00:45:30.240 --> 00:45:33.240 I'd have to look it up. 00:45:33.240 --> 00:45:46.240 I think it was a whole package done that way Klemm proposed five Can you repeat that Alderman Klemm? 00:45:46.240 --> 00:45:53.240 Klemm, I proposed five last time Okay, thank you for that clarification 00:45:53.240 --> 00:46:01.240 So before you is a motion for a 2% amendment Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll on the 2%? 00:46:01.240 --> 00:46:15.240 Can I have discussion? Oh sure. Could I? Okay. Please keep in mind that this is one of the positions that has really changed over the years in the amount that the person has to do. 00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:45.240 We've gone from zero gaming license to 40 gaming licenses. We have, I don't know how many liquor licenses, and I'm sharing the 60s at this point, that this person all has to handle, plus has to have everything ready for every meeting, and you guys want to demand that they have a draft, a draft agenda out three days before it normally used to come out, used to come out, and you're not 00:46:45.240 --> 00:47:06.600 Let's also keep in mind that this year it was approved for part-time worker, helper, part-time 00:47:06.600 --> 00:47:13.240 City Clerk to help City Clerk Anderson. 00:47:13.240 --> 00:47:25.240 Could you repeat that because I can't hear you. I'm very sorry. The system is absolutely terrible. I hate to say that, but it's absolutely terrible. 00:47:25.240 --> 00:47:29.240 I said let's keep in mind, can you hear me? 00:47:29.240 --> 00:47:31.240 I can hear you. 00:47:31.240 --> 00:47:41.400 Let's keep in mind that it was approved to hire a part-time City Clerk to help City Clerk 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:47.640 Anderson out with her duties. 00:47:47.640 --> 00:47:49.640 Let's keep that in mind. 00:47:49.640 --> 00:47:51.640 Madam Mayor. 00:47:51.640 --> 00:47:54.640 Yes, Alderman Klemm. 00:47:54.640 --> 00:48:00.960 Am I correct in saying that the person that assisted her before just retired and that 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:19.600 person took that position. There's been an assistant that worked back and forth with the person that works with the mayor and the city manager and the city court for a number of years. It isn't as though it happened yesterday. So she didn't get any big bonus hiring somebody. 00:48:19.600 --> 00:48:20.600 Cronenberg. 00:48:20.600 --> 00:48:35.079 Respond to Klemm, or ... Yeah, his knowledge on the part-time. 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.880 He's referring to Luanne retiring. 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:46.380 Yes, I just had a retirement in the office, so I'm training, so I have a brand new person, 00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:55.780 Also my helper will be trained. I guess I don't understand what Alderperson Klemm was 00:48:55.780 --> 00:49:01.980 saying, I guess. The new person is not to be a backup to the Assistant to the Mayor 00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:08.960 and City Manager. The current Deputy Clerk does that. If, and a budget has not finally 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:13.320 been approved, it has been recommended in the budget, but I don't definitely have a 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:18.640 a part-time person but as I will agree with Alderperson Klemm that the workload 00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:24.140 has increased greatly this year we also have had by the end of September we had 00:49:24.140 --> 00:49:29.940 more Freedom of Information Act requests by the end of September than in any year 00:49:29.940 --> 00:49:35.680 since I've kept a FOIA log all through you know through December 00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:39.800 all through December by the end of September, 00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:41.400 the FOIAs were higher. 00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:46.200 I'm getting behind in typing closed session minutes. 00:49:46.200 --> 00:49:49.360 I'm about four years behind on that. 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:51.360 And I am behind in filing. 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:56.000 So between me, a full-time clerk, and a part-time clerk, 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.600 those duties would be redistributed 00:49:59.600 --> 00:50:03.760 to include backup to the assistant to the mayor 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:05.760 and City Manager. 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.080 Yes, that's a good explanation. 00:50:07.080 --> 00:50:08.000 Thank you. 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:09.000 Alderman Stacy. 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:16.120 Am I wrong in thinking that we approved for a part-time City 00:50:16.120 --> 00:50:17.800 Clerk? 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:19.080 Did we approve? 00:50:19.080 --> 00:50:20.680 Well, it was discussed in the budget, 00:50:20.680 --> 00:50:22.220 but nothing's been approved in that. 00:50:22.220 --> 00:50:23.480 That was for the 25 budget. 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.720 But is this something that passed? 00:50:27.720 --> 00:50:29.960 The budget hasn't passed, though. 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:33.120 Director Richter, can you answer that? 00:50:33.120 --> 00:50:45.120 So, actually the conversation was, and I might give you more than you want to know, but both Dovie and I talked together and we were going to ask for a full-time person. 00:50:45.120 --> 00:50:53.120 I backed off a little bit and I've also talked to Dovie about I don't know if her half-time is going to make it through. 00:50:53.120 --> 00:50:59.120 We've got a lot to go with the budget yet, and as I said, it hasn't been approved yet. 00:50:59.120 --> 00:51:06.480 and I. It is something we very much need, Dovie needs, but when it comes to some of the other 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:14.920 priorities that the budget needs, that might not make it all the way through. 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:26.520 Okay. So I understand that the budget has not been approved. However, was getting her 00:51:26.520 --> 00:51:42.240 of Position Helper approved. Did we discuss and talk about her receiving a part-time City 00:51:42.240 --> 00:51:43.240 Clerk? 00:51:43.240 --> 00:51:47.920 Was there, so you're asking if there was an ordinance that was, no, it was discussion 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.520 in budget. Manager Boyer, do you want to add to that? 00:51:51.520 --> 00:51:57.560 As I understand it, we had basically an additional position that was going to split 50-50 between 00:51:57.560 --> 00:52:00.200 the Finance Department and the City Clerk. 00:52:00.200 --> 00:52:05.760 The Finance Department looked at it and said, I'm going to withdraw my request, but I think 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.720 we still put that in the budget for the City Clerk. 00:52:09.720 --> 00:52:14.560 The budget hasn't been passed yet, but the intention is to have a part-time person. 00:52:14.560 --> 00:52:18.920 The intention is to have a part-time person. 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:30.360 and also just for recollection purposes the current term I'm in I had an 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:35.240 increase of one percent one percent one percent one percent this was set at a 00:52:35.240 --> 00:52:43.360 time during COVID when we were freezing public works rate wages if I recall I 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:54.860 I asked the Finance Director, non-elected people, non-bargaining during that same time got two, two, four, and four. 00:52:54.860 --> 00:53:05.360 A comparison of other clerks were also given, and I am paid lower than any of the two, four, six, eight, nine municipalities. 00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:16.360 Dixon has a population of 15,000, Sterling has a population of 14,000, and I still make less than them. 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:20.360 I don't know how many deputy clerks they have. 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:27.360 If you do increase this position, and not me, I do intend to run, but think of it as a position, 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:28.360 Fowler. 00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:34.720 If you can increase this position by five, five, five, five, I believe someone did a 00:53:34.720 --> 00:53:40.800 calculation and it would add $10,000 more than what you were given. 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:47.800 Adding 10,000 onto me, I still make less than the 10 municipalities that you were given 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.600 as comparisons. 00:53:52.600 --> 00:53:58.480 So before you, Council, is an ask for an amendment of 2-2-2-2. 00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:02.520 Any further discussion on the 2? 00:54:02.520 --> 00:54:05.760 Madam Clerk, would you please take the roll on the amendment for 2? 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:06.760 Simmons? 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:07.760 No. 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:08.760 Parker? 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:09.760 No. 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:10.760 Stacy? 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:11.760 Yes. 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:12.760 Shadle? 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:13.760 No. 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:14.760 Sanders? 00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:15.760 Yes. 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:16.760 Sellers? 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:17.760 No. 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:18.760 Klemm? 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:19.760 No. 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:20.760 Monroe? 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:21.760 No. 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.600 to six. 00:54:23.600 --> 00:54:28.960 So now before you, Council, is the original that was put forward the last time you met 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:33.480 at five. 00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.440 Simmons? 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:43.320 I think Alderman Stacy might have had something she wanted to say. 00:54:43.320 --> 00:55:01.320 I am not wanting the 5. So, since my 2 failed, do I have the right to make another motion? 00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:06.640 I make a motion that we just go 3 across the board. 00:55:06.640 --> 00:55:07.640 Is there a second? 00:55:07.640 --> 00:55:08.640 I second it. 00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:27.640 Here we have a motion made by Alderman Stacy, seconded by Alderman Sanders to do 5% I'm sorry, 3%, 3, 3, 3, 3. Discussion on the 3. Madam Clerk, please take the roll on a 3% increase. 00:55:27.640 --> 00:55:41.240 Simmons, Parker, no, Stacy, yes, Shadle, no, Sanders, yes, Sellers, no, Klemm, no, 00:55:41.240 --> 00:55:49.220 Monroe, no, the motion fails two to six. Okay so again before you is the five five 00:55:49.220 --> 00:55:51.920 and 00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:52.920 any other questions? 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:53.920 Any further discussion? 00:55:53.920 --> 00:56:00.940 I have a point of clarification from the discussions earlier. 00:56:00.940 --> 00:56:05.200 Could someone answer how many years we have employed a deputy clerk? 00:56:05.200 --> 00:56:10.280 Because I don't remember not having one. 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:20.360 Do you know that? Yes, from 2017 when I started. I was the first full-time Deputy Clerk. Prior 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:28.280 to that there was a part-time on occasion or the clerk at times would appoint a deputy 00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:35.880 to see some duties through or to take a vacation. But going back through the files, there's 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:40.560 There's a Deputy Clerk signature on many, many files as one was needed. 00:56:40.560 --> 00:56:52.800 Michelle, do you have more recollection than that or is that pretty accurate? 00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.800 No further discussion? 00:56:55.800 --> 00:57:01.600 Madam Clerk, please take the roll. 00:57:01.600 --> 00:57:02.600 Simmons 00:57:02.600 --> 00:57:19.040 Parker, no Stacy this is for the five percent no five percent no well I thought 00:57:19.040 --> 00:57:28.080 was still talking to four percent okay let's clarify what the motion is so the 00:57:28.080 --> 00:57:31.080 This is on the underlying five. 00:57:31.080 --> 00:57:32.080 Okay. 00:57:32.080 --> 00:57:39.120 And remember, something has to pass tonight or there will be no salary set for the clerk's 00:57:39.120 --> 00:57:40.520 position. 00:57:40.520 --> 00:57:44.000 So before you is what the original was at five, five, five, five. 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.000 I'm sorry. 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.000 I thought it was four percent. 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:47.000 Do you want me to start over? 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:48.000 Yeah. 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:49.000 No. 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:50.000 Why? 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:51.000 I'll vote yes. 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.920 I will start with Simmons first. 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.280 I'll start completely over so we're even. 00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:15.040 Parker? Yes. Stacy? No. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? No. Sellers? Yes. Klemm? Yes. Monroe? Yes. Let me see if I have 00:58:15.040 --> 00:58:22.200 enough here. One, two, three, four, five yeses. The motion passes five to three. 00:58:22.200 --> 00:58:27.080 Okay let's move on to item number eight which is the second reading of ordinance 00:58:27.080 --> 00:58:31.720 2024-55. Could you please read this? Ordinance approving revised lease with 00:58:31.720 --> 00:58:36.480 Illinois Central Railroad also known as CN Railroad for Brick Street water 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:42.320 treatment plant. Manager Boyer. Thank Your Honor. Just following up part of the old 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:48.840 Brick Street plant that was built around 1870 is encroaching on the CN rail yard. 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:54.540 for years we've paid a modest amount of rent just to ensure that ever they've 00:58:54.540 --> 00:58:59.640 asked for a modest amount of rent so the city would like to renew that again this 00:58:59.640 --> 00:59:05.880 year obviously but they have raised it to 2,000 so staff is requesting this 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:13.640 council approve the payment of the $2,000 rent for CN. Is there any 00:59:13.640 --> 00:59:23.560 discussion on this second reading so based on Alderman Sanders request 00:59:23.560 --> 00:59:28.880 communications director went out and was able to get a drone photo of the area 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:33.480 this is the area in question on the backside of the existing water plant as 00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:37.440 you can see the structure is built 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:45.440 We can see the structure is built right on top of the railroad abedment. Again, this was four years ago when coal was delivered to the buildings. 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:55.440 I really don't think we have much of a choice but to approve this until we can have the water plant removed, which is hopeful to have done within the next five years. 00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:01.440 And we've let CN know that we're working towards that goal. 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:13.840 Is there any further discussion? Seeing none, Madam Clerk, would you please take the roll? 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:26.280 Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. 01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:32.180 and Monroe I the motion passes 8 to 0 actually it's the ordinance that passes 01:00:32.180 --> 01:00:36.960 8 to 0 item number 9 is the first reading of ordinance 2024 56 could you 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:42.000 please read this ordinance approving special use permit for LaGuerra oh I 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:48.600 missed part of the address 1802 e Shawnee your director duckman thank you madam 01:00:48.600 --> 01:00:52.800 mayor staff received a special use application from the whereup report LLC 01:00:52.800 --> 01:01:00.400 for a restaurant selling alcohol beverages outdoors for outdoor service at their location at 1802 Eshawn E. 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:08.480 And on October 3rd, the Zoning Board of Appeals recommended for approval by a vote of four to zero 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:15.120 with zero abstentions. The Planning Commission met on October 10th, 2024, and they recommended 01:01:15.120 --> 01:01:21.560 approval by a vote of five to zero with zero abstentions and there was some 01:01:21.560 --> 01:01:26.320 discussion at the Zoning Board of Appeals meeting between Angelina Dominguez, 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:31.800 the proprietor of the establishment and some members of the public and normally 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:37.560 the after hours outside would be 11 o'clock but they agreed to the owner 01:01:37.560 --> 01:01:41.040 agreed after talking with some of the neighbors that they would close their 01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:44.560 operations at 10 o'clock so that's one of the conditions that was imposed through 01:02:14.560 --> 01:02:18.080 and the staff is making that recommendation as well as approval. 01:02:18.080 --> 01:02:25.640 Okay, so before discussion I need a motion to move this ordinance to the second reading. 01:02:25.640 --> 01:02:26.640 So moved. 01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:29.640 Is there a second? 01:02:29.640 --> 01:02:30.640 Second. 01:02:30.640 --> 01:02:34.680 We have a motion made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Rowe to move this ordinance 01:02:34.680 --> 01:02:35.680 forward. 01:02:35.680 --> 01:02:38.680 Is there discussion on the ordinance? 01:02:38.680 --> 01:02:40.680 Yes. 01:02:40.680 --> 01:02:46.560 is the closing at 10 p.m. is that going to be written into yes that's what we're 01:02:46.560 --> 01:02:51.860 proposing we propose that and normally other communities do conditional use 01:02:51.860 --> 01:02:56.740 permits as part of their special use permits that's not a typical not 01:02:56.740 --> 01:03:01.160 typically done but in this situation based on what came from the Zoning Board 01:03:01.160 --> 01:03:06.280 of Appeals discussions with the public staff is recommending that that's just 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:31.780 The owner approached me whether a special permit was required for this and it's not because it's on private property, it's not on city property. Will that 10 o'clock closing be for any outdoor event or any time their outdoor patio area is in use? 01:03:31.780 --> 01:03:34.700 That's in conjunction with this special use permit. 01:03:34.700 --> 01:03:38.140 It's a condition based on this serving of outdoor alcohol. 01:03:38.140 --> 01:03:39.740 So it's not just that one event? 01:03:39.740 --> 01:03:43.100 No, it's for this and for their special use 01:03:43.100 --> 01:03:46.860 permit is for outdoor, you know, serving alcohol outdoors. 01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:48.420 And that's part of all of it. 01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:48.900 Yes. 01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:49.660 OK, good to know. 01:03:49.660 --> 01:03:50.220 Thank you. 01:03:50.220 --> 01:03:50.720 Yes. 01:03:54.620 --> 01:03:55.820 Alderman Simmons. 01:03:55.820 --> 01:04:01.260 So is that the same for the bars downtown 01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:07.940 it's different they have an actual there's a parklet there's a parklet 01:04:07.940 --> 01:04:11.060 application is that what it and I get a mixed up but there's an actual parklet 01:04:11.060 --> 01:04:13.980 application they can do so this is a little bit different it's on their 01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:18.300 property this is a I put up a third property here you can see they have a 01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:27.140 large property and obviously it's different than downtown location 01:04:27.140 --> 01:04:34.140 So I have a follow-up question. So if they were to, I'm familiar with it. 01:04:34.140 --> 01:04:36.140 Can you talk more into the microphone? 01:04:36.140 --> 01:04:50.140 Sorry, so I'm familiar with the restaurant. So if they were to fill out the same permit that the other restaurants downtown that have the same sort of setup have, would they be allowed to sometimes stay open later? 01:04:50.140 --> 01:05:04.540 Well, it's different. What you got going on here is they don't even have a sidewalk here, so they wouldn't even be able to put something in the right-of-way here, like a set of tables and picnic benches. 01:05:04.540 --> 01:05:16.940 They, and I do want to be clear, the property, the neighbors came in and had a discussion at the Zoning Board of Appeals, and the proprietor, Ms. Dominguez, she said that she would close at 10 o'clock. 01:05:16.940 --> 01:05:22.300 Black, so that's per her suggestion at the, she said that, it wasn't staff imposing it, 01:05:22.300 --> 01:05:26.220 she said that she would close, staff actually said to be in line with our regular ordinances 01:05:26.220 --> 01:05:30.620 and do 11, she, after talking with the public, she said she would close up at 10, she, you 01:05:30.620 --> 01:05:33.020 know, she agreed to do that. 01:05:33.020 --> 01:05:36.300 Alderman Stacey? 01:05:36.300 --> 01:05:39.180 Where is the water? 01:05:39.180 --> 01:05:40.340 This, you see the red line here. 01:05:40.340 --> 01:05:41.340 That's the water. 01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:42.340 That's right, correct. 01:05:42.340 --> 01:05:44.860 Okay, where are they talking about putting seating? 01:05:44.860 --> 01:06:05.860 Well, I'm always careful about this, Ms. Alderperson, Stacy, because it's not technically part of this approval process, but, and I've said, you know, we've been down this road before, you're not approving where they're going to have their alcohol served, but what I'm being told is it's going to be in this area here. 01:06:05.860 --> 01:06:11.860 That's the grass area, like, kind of behind the front of the building? 01:06:11.860 --> 01:06:12.860 is building? 01:06:12.860 --> 01:06:13.860 Setting the table now. 01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:14.860 Actually is building. 01:06:14.860 --> 01:06:15.860 Correct thing. 01:06:15.860 --> 01:06:16.860 That's what I'm being told. 01:06:16.860 --> 01:06:17.860 They got pretty stable hand. 01:06:17.860 --> 01:06:21.380 I actually, actually it's not the- I was told it's going to be in this parking area here 01:06:21.380 --> 01:06:24.980 so I apologize Alderperson, Stacy, but it's going to be in this parking area in here. 01:06:24.980 --> 01:06:27.960 Where is the front door? 01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:29.200 Exactly. 01:06:29.200 --> 01:06:32.000 Sorry, it's over in here. 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:34.120 The left side. 01:06:34.120 --> 01:06:39.340 I'm sorry I'm a little able Not to say it on the open. 01:06:39.340 --> 01:06:40.240 the appearance of audience. 01:06:40.240 --> 01:06:41.500 because there used to be seating on the absent side of what you're saying. 01:06:41.500 --> 01:06:45.300 That's what, again, and I want to be clear, I don't want to get too far in the weeds on 01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:50.100 this because this is not part of, basically it's a blanket approval for them to have an 01:06:50.100 --> 01:06:54.780 outdoor, you know, to serve out. So I don't want to get too far in the weeds on that, 01:06:54.780 --> 01:06:58.860 you know, because you're not saying, well, I approve it here or approve it there. It's 01:06:58.860 --> 01:06:59.860 a blanket approval. 01:06:59.860 --> 01:07:05.460 And what if they ever, never, what if they didn't close at 10? Would that be a violation? 01:07:05.460 --> 01:07:09.940 It would, and essentially what would happen is, right, the neighbors were here and they 01:07:09.940 --> 01:07:38.940 and they said, hey, you agreed to close at 10 and so if they start having parties at 11 or midnight, I can guarantee you the neighbors who talk to them, they're going to be the ones calling, saying there's a noise violation and that would be up to the officers who went on site to assess the situation and proceed accordingly with noise violations. 01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:48.860 Sanders. Also, would there be any safety rails or safety protection or? That's not 01:07:48.860 --> 01:07:53.340 part of this. This is a zoning, this is a simple zoning approval that basically 01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:58.100 says can they serve alcohol outside. That's not part, you know, I mean that's 01:07:58.100 --> 01:08:06.340 not part of this. Yeah, well I'm thinking about the fact that that property is 01:08:06.340 --> 01:08:15.340 is exposed to the public at any given time, is there any safety guardrails? 01:08:15.340 --> 01:08:21.340 Sure, you know, I will say if your concern is safety, I mean you can vote on this however you see fit. 01:08:21.340 --> 01:08:26.340 I just know that when it comes to what they can do on their property and zoning wise, 01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:31.340 we don't take into effect, you know, the guardrails and things of that nature. 01:08:31.340 --> 01:08:39.340 So I don't want to mislead you down a path that, that was part of this zoning process. This is, yep. 01:08:39.340 --> 01:08:50.340 Well, my thing is we need to reassess that whole idea of allowing that particular kind of zoning take place 01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:59.340 when we're serving alcohol and whatever is going on like that without any fencing or guardrails or whatever the case may be. 01:08:59.340 --> 01:09:08.340 I think it would become a hazardous to the adjacent community, but that's my concern. 01:09:08.340 --> 01:09:15.340 That is something that I can foresee that might happen in that particular part of the area. 01:09:15.340 --> 01:09:20.340 So, you know, I'm looking at the whole spectrum of it. 01:09:20.340 --> 01:09:22.340 Madam Clerk, would you want to chime in to? 01:09:22.340 --> 01:09:27.340 Sure. The liquor sales portion is overseen by the Liquor Commission. 01:09:27.340 --> 01:09:37.340 and they also have an outdoor application submitted to the Liquor Commission and they provided all of that. 01:09:37.340 --> 01:09:43.739 We provided all of that on the drawing and the Liquor Commission approved that contingent 01:09:43.739 --> 01:09:49.300 upon whether Council believes that this is an appropriate use of outdoor liquor at this 01:09:49.300 --> 01:09:50.300 location. 01:09:50.300 --> 01:09:56.380 Well, all of the things that I just said factors into that equation. 01:09:56.380 --> 01:10:04.460 And the fact of the matter is we don't have a lot of detail information in regards to 01:10:04.460 --> 01:10:34.460 these three buildings are specific to any of that, because were exposing masks that property to the general public and without any safety guardrails or anything of that nature that the community or the neighborhood or whatever that's out there is subjected to they could be intruded upon unwelcome visitors and things like that to that community area so my thing is 01:10:34.460 --> 01:10:40.819 have we taken a look at that whole yes concept yes so when it comes to zoning 01:10:40.819 --> 01:10:46.420 and land use and this is this would be land use in this situation here you're in 01:10:46.420 --> 01:10:49.940 order to serve alcohol it's alcohol outside your first step is you have to 01:10:49.940 --> 01:10:54.659 get the zoning for it in this situation or in the city of Freeport you have to 01:10:54.659 --> 01:10:59.779 have a special use permit and a special use permit looks at and also provides 01:10:59.779 --> 01:11:03.659 the members of the public an opportunity to come and speak and actually in this 01:11:33.659 --> 01:11:35.699 Files, and Planning Commission. 01:11:35.699 --> 01:11:40.300 All that being said, it's up tonight for your choice to decide. 01:11:40.300 --> 01:11:45.699 If you disagree with the Zoning Board of Appeals and Planning Commission, that's your right 01:11:45.699 --> 01:11:46.699 to do so. 01:11:46.699 --> 01:11:52.900 But I just, in working on this application, working with the owner for months on this, 01:11:52.900 --> 01:11:59.100 I think she's done her work, she's done her due diligence, she's presented to the public, 01:11:59.100 --> 01:12:04.460 She's been working with the public and I stand behind the recommendations of the Zoning Board 01:12:04.460 --> 01:12:05.460 and Planning Commission. 01:12:05.460 --> 01:12:06.460 Okay. 01:12:06.460 --> 01:12:07.460 Madam Mayor? 01:12:07.460 --> 01:12:08.460 Norman Klemm? 01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:09.460 Madam Mayor? 01:12:09.460 --> 01:12:10.460 Yes. 01:12:10.460 --> 01:12:18.779 Just keep in mind that I was a building and grounds person at that particular address 01:12:18.779 --> 01:12:25.020 for the VFW for a number of years and I know special uses don't go on with the sales but 01:12:25.020 --> 01:12:31.739 and others, but there had been a special use for outside dining and in the same area and 01:12:31.739 --> 01:12:38.819 that stuff for the DFW and also for Junior's place before that. So as a result, this is 01:12:38.819 --> 01:12:45.060 the first time that anybody's looked at it. And if she, there is some housing right there 01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:49.860 and if the people came and objected and said that they believed it should be shut down 01:12:49.860 --> 01:12:53.579 early and that agreed, I believe it to be a good decision. 01:12:53.579 --> 01:13:06.980 I agree so we have the motion to move forward to a second reading however it 01:13:06.980 --> 01:13:10.699 has been asked by the owners of the property if we could suspend the rules so 01:13:10.699 --> 01:13:17.340 they can actually do this for their next event which is prior to the next council 01:13:17.340 --> 01:13:28.140 is there a motion to suspend the rules second everybody we have a motion made 01:13:28.140 --> 01:13:33.060 by Alderman Sellers seconded by Alderman Monroe to suspend the rules suspension of 01:13:33.060 --> 01:13:36.500 the rules is non-debatable must pass by two-thirds majority madam clerk could 01:13:36.500 --> 01:13:40.659 you please take the role in the suspension only Simmons I Parker I 01:13:40.659 --> 01:13:50.500 Stacey, Shadle, Sanders, Sellers, Klemm, and Monroe. The suspension passes 8 to 0. 01:13:50.500 --> 01:13:55.420 Okay so now before you is the final passage to be able to get this ordinance 01:13:55.420 --> 01:14:00.159 put into place. Is there any further discussion? Madam Clerk, please take the 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:10.480 roll on the passage. Simmons, Parker, Stacey, Shadle, Sanders, Sellers, Klemm, 01:14:10.480 --> 01:14:12.480 Aye. 01:14:12.480 --> 01:14:13.480 Monroe. 01:14:13.480 --> 01:14:14.480 Aye. 01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:16.880 And the ordinance passes 8 to 0. 01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:20.000 Item number 10 is the first reading of Ordinance 2024-57. 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:22.199 Could you please read this? 01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:26.800 Ordinance amending boundaries of the Joint Northwest Illinois Certified Enterprise Zone 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:32.279 for the operation of an Enterprise Zone to add Pearl City Elevator fueling station near 01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:34.680 US Route 20 and Wagner Road. 01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:35.680 Thank you. 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:36.680 Manager Boyer. 01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:37.680 Thank you, Your Honor. 01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:43.239 Summary Enterprise Zone is a zone set up to help spur economic activity and support business 01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:45.239 development. 01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:51.360 The Ordinance 2024-57 proposes an expansion of the Joint Northwestern Illinois Enterprise 01:14:51.360 --> 01:14:55.640 Zone involving collaboration between multiple jurisdictions. 01:14:55.640 --> 01:15:02.119 That is the City of Freeport, Stevenson County, Joe Davis County, City of East Dubuque, the 01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:04.800 Villages of Hanover, and Alena. 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:11.279 This amendment aims to incorporate an additional 8.57 acres of contiguous land into the existing 01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:16.199 Enterprise Zone pending approval from the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity 01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:19.840 or DECO and relevant local governing bodies. 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:31.440 The expansion increases the zone size from 13.5017 square miles to 13.515 square miles. 01:15:31.440 --> 01:16:01.440 Project. The Pearl City Elevator Inc. is acquiring the property at 9432 West Wagner Road to build a fueling station and convenience store. Project cost estimates at $4.5 million with a net savings to the enterprise zone incentives. Over 40 years, the project is expected to generate approximately $5.6 million in property taxes. The fuel station is positioned to attract tourism and business 01:16:01.440 --> 01:16:31.440 Long Route 20. A job creation includes the project will have eight full-time jobs with an estimated annual payroll of $400,000 a year, seven part-time jobs with a payroll of $240,000 a year. Construction will generate 15 temporary jobs contributing $200,000 in payroll to the local economy, and the fueling station will support regional agriculture through the use of ethanol and corn oil products at Atkins Energy, sourced from local 01:16:31.440 --> 01:16:46.860 and others, including farmers. The enterprise zone expansion requirements. All enterprise zone benefits will apply to the expanded area except for properties within a TIF district where property tax abatements are excluded. 01:16:46.860 --> 01:16:59.880 Approval of by DECO is required for the final to finalize the expansion. And if passed, the ordinance will be submitted to Gary Quinn, Zone Administrator for inclusion in the DECO application. 01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:05.480 this ordinance will become effective immediately upon passage of the publication and staff request 01:17:05.480 --> 01:17:15.159 council approve ordinance 20-2024-57 it is in alignment with our strategic plan strong public 01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:20.119 private partnerships the public and private partnerships are aligned to create clear value 01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:26.039 for the citizens of Freeport and its partners we work closely with local regional statewide 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:27.039 and Stacey. 01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:31.000 We provide economic development partners by aligning our work with shared resources. 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:33.319 Is there a motion to move this forward? 01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:34.319 So moved. 01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:35.319 Second. 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:39.619 We have a motion made by Alderman Sellers, seconded by Alderman Shadle. 01:17:39.619 --> 01:17:40.619 Discussion on the ordinance. 01:17:40.619 --> 01:17:41.619 Alderman Stacey. 01:17:41.619 --> 01:17:49.819 Can you tell me how do this project help us? 01:17:49.819 --> 01:17:54.739 This project is in support of our other communities that are in the enterprise zone. 01:17:54.739 --> 01:18:00.140 and as you can see here up on the screen, originally when the Enterprise Zone was set 01:18:00.140 --> 01:18:05.680 up, the property owners of the yellow striped areas were not wanting to be part of the Enterprise 01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:06.680 Zone. 01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:12.140 They've apparently been acquired by new owners who want to set up the truck stop and they're 01:18:12.140 --> 01:18:15.680 requesting those two parcels be included with the Enterprise Zone. 01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:22.300 So it benefits us by supporting our local partners in economic development and future 01:18:22.300 --> 01:18:23.300 expansions. 01:18:23.300 --> 01:18:27.659 How do this project hurt us? 01:18:27.659 --> 01:18:30.220 I'm not aware of how it hurts us. 01:18:30.220 --> 01:18:30.720 OK. 01:18:33.659 --> 01:18:40.940 Do we make money off of the gas tax revenue? 01:18:40.940 --> 01:18:41.819 Yes. 01:18:41.819 --> 01:18:44.220 Yeah. 01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:49.860 Were we told that that money would get us qualified grants? 01:18:49.860 --> 01:18:51.060 I'm sorry, just to clarify. 01:18:51.060 --> 01:18:55.500 We make 2% gas tax on our fueling stations within city limits. 01:19:00.180 --> 01:19:05.380 Isn't this money currently paying for our street repairs? 01:19:05.380 --> 01:19:09.420 No, this is Pearl City. 01:19:09.420 --> 01:19:12.020 OK. 01:19:12.020 --> 01:19:12.780 I'm sorry, Lena. 01:19:12.780 --> 01:19:17.060 So what is it going to cost us to support that project? 01:19:17.060 --> 01:19:17.539 Nothing. 01:19:17.539 --> 01:19:26.539 but we're allowing, we're supporting something being built. 01:19:26.539 --> 01:19:30.539 Attorney Zito knows where you're going with this. He'll answer it. 01:19:30.539 --> 01:19:33.539 I think I do. So this... 01:19:33.539 --> 01:19:36.539 Can we have the light on so I can see you? 01:19:36.539 --> 01:19:46.539 So, the Enterprise Zone, when it was originally created, it was done through an intergovernmental 01:19:46.539 --> 01:19:51.619 agreement with multiple municipalities, right, because the Enterprise Zone is bigger than 01:19:51.619 --> 01:19:52.619 just Freeport. 01:19:52.619 --> 01:19:56.739 It extends into, you know, Lena, Pearl City, whatever, but it was an agreement that was 01:19:56.739 --> 01:20:01.340 done by all those communities that set the boundary, right, that extends bigger than 01:20:01.340 --> 01:20:02.340 just Freeport. 01:20:02.340 --> 01:20:11.340 So, if it ever wants to be changed because there are, let's just hypothetically say there were five entities that were a party to that agreement that created the Enterprise Zone. 01:20:11.340 --> 01:20:16.340 If we ever want to change it, all five communities have to agree to change it. 01:20:16.340 --> 01:20:46.340 So now one of those communities, Pearl City, has asked because they have a, Lena, excuse me, has a proposed development that the developers asking, hey, can I be included in the, in the enterprise zone and so Lena is now saying, okay, we think this will be a benefit, you know, we were asking for everyone to agree, all the other communities to agree to expand the enterprise zone boundaries to include this additional 01:20:46.340 --> 01:20:48.340 and 01:20:49.340 --> 01:20:50.340 the 01:20:50.340 --> 01:20:55.979 does it benefit us probably not other than you know maybe general rising tide raises 01:20:55.979 --> 01:21:01.819 all ships but I think where the benefit comes in is or what we're doing in being a partner 01:21:01.819 --> 01:21:06.260 with our surrounding communities is there may be a day one day where we are going to 01:21:06.260 --> 01:21:11.060 ask because there's a development in Freeport that is not within the enterprise zone and 01:21:11.060 --> 01:21:14.899 we're going to ask hey guys can we add this into the enterprise zone this property that's 01:21:14.899 --> 01:21:18.859 in Freeport and we're going to look to our partners and we're going to need their blessing 01:21:18.859 --> 01:21:48.859 to add it in. So that's kind of probably the bigger picture. I don't know if that answers your question as to because I think you're kind of doing a pro and con there. There's really not. It's not really that it's really about they need all five of us to agree to amend the boundary. So that's why they're asking Director Duckman. Yes, I also want to add Alderperson Stacy. We went through this for the city of Freeport with the metals mall project. We had to redo our boundary to incorporate that. And so we needed the approval of Lena 01:21:48.859 --> 01:21:51.059 in that process, that was 2022. 01:21:51.059 --> 01:21:53.739 So you're dealing with regional governance, correct? 01:21:53.739 --> 01:21:56.420 So the argument there is people come together, 01:21:56.420 --> 01:21:58.059 you're working together, but you're 01:21:58.059 --> 01:22:00.779 taking advantage of, example, sales tax abatement 01:22:00.779 --> 01:22:02.600 for construction materials. 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:05.659 And in this situation, you have a project 01:22:05.659 --> 01:22:08.420 that just happens to be surrounded by enterprise zone. 01:22:08.420 --> 01:22:10.979 And since it's regional governance, 01:22:10.979 --> 01:22:13.779 it's local municipalities working together 01:22:13.779 --> 01:22:17.039 to have a benefit in development, 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:21.939 they need to work together to say does this make sense and that's what's being voted 01:22:21.939 --> 01:22:26.920 on here but to Attorney Zito's point we were in that situation a few years ago with the 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:32.880 Meadows Mall development and adding we had to do the similar project where we had to 01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:37.720 redo that legal description. I wrote the legal description for the Meadows Mall project so 01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:43.960 I remember fondly adding that boundary to the enterprise zone so it is a situation where 01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:54.960 We are working with other communities in this situation. We aren't exactly benefiting directly here, but we've relied on each other in similar situations. 01:22:54.960 --> 01:23:05.960 Andrea, is there something in addition that you have to add to that? 01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:20.960 So the only thing I will add, and I think that we talk about benefit, thank you for Director Duckman, Manager Boyer, it was a great explanation as to what the Enterprise Zone is and the process that we went through two years ago to add the Meadows Mall that facilitated the redevelopment there. 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:50.960 Perel City Elevator is a large employer. Many of their employees live in Freeport. Also Perel City Elevator takes grain from area farmers. That grain is then often sold to Atkins Energy, which produces ethanol, which then will be sold at the gas station that will be nearby. So when you think about the idea that yes, it probably will affect some Freeport City residents because they work, they are farmers themselves, or they work for Perel City Elevator, they will benefit by having their company be able 01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:26.239 who owns the land because right now I'm looking at it part of the land is owned 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:31.680 by Pearl City Elevator incorporated the other land is owned by Old Mill LLC do 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:38.239 we know who the people are they're involved in in those zones? The Old Mill 01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:43.399 LLC that parcel was purchased by Pearl City Elevator both parcels are now owned 01:24:43.399 --> 01:25:13.399 Bipro City Elevator. Okay, follow up. Go ahead. Awesome. So the proposal is to put in a large truck stop. Is that what I'm understanding? It's going to be a convenience store and truck stop. Yes. Fueling station. Follow up. So we've been here in Freeport trying to get that same type of opportunity built here. It does seem a little bit perplexing that we would lose nothing. I would be willing to bet that we would probably lose 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:17.399 B. B. and I think it's a good thing for the Department of 01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:22.399 Transportation to use gas tax revenue as trucks and vehicles 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:28.399 bypassing Freeport, which the bypass in its name has done to 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:35.399 us for many years. So there is a, I would put almost a net 01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:38.399 negative on the opportunity that's going into the Lena area. 01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:42.399 Do we need a truck stop west of the Rockford area, west of 01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:46.560 and the question that's been asked for a lot of years. I know that there's been talk off 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:53.199 Springfield Road. I know there's been talk on 26. There's been discussions even at the 01:25:53.199 --> 01:26:03.000 West connection of the Business 20 bypass area. And my concern, and I think a lot of 01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:09.960 people's concern in here, and I know they're dancing around the subject, is that will without 01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:27.659 Hickman, Steve, John, Daniel, Mike, John Hicks, Mike Hickman, Mike Hickman, Mike Hickman, 01:26:27.659 --> 01:26:33.420 Supplies things like that as they drive west to Dubuque or wherever they may be going so that is a concern 01:26:33.420 --> 01:26:39.180 I you did make a lot of good positives, but I think you're not making enough light of the negatives that come along with that 01:26:42.779 --> 01:26:48.059 There is potential opportunity that's lost right opportunity cost but right now 01:26:48.739 --> 01:26:52.960 Pearl City elevator based on the proximity they have to their existing facility 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:57.180 This is why they chose the location that they did and I can't tell you today 01:26:57.659 --> 01:26:58.659 and John. 01:26:58.659 --> 01:27:01.720 That if you said no and you voted this down, then that means in six months you're going 01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:04.859 to get a truck stop developed off of the bypass. 01:27:04.859 --> 01:27:12.559 So you know, I think that we need to look at the greater good working with our regional 01:27:12.559 --> 01:27:13.559 partners. 01:27:13.559 --> 01:27:18.840 It is likely within the next year that I will be in front of you again asking for you to 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:22.760 approve an enterprise zone boundary expansion to facilitate other development within the 01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:24.380 city of Freeport. 01:27:24.380 --> 01:27:28.739 I'm going to have to go to our government partners asking them to do the same, and they might 01:27:28.739 --> 01:27:34.119 ask the same thing of me. Why would I want to agree to do this? Because it might hurt 01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:40.520 our municipality. I think we need to consider the idea that yes, this is the city of Freeport, 01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:45.520 but there are many people who don't work here, that they live here, that there are boundaries 01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:50.800 that we cross every single day, and that we need to think about this in terms of the regional 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:59.359 Good, as well. Alderman Sellers? Yes, I'd like to, with the job creation that you read, 01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:08.840 City Manager, the eight full-time jobs and the 15 temporary jobs, is that all for, is 01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:15.960 it Leno or Freeport or who, are these all new jobs or are they? I'm happy to answer 01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:18.619 and 01:28:18.619 --> 01:28:23.519 they referred to construction jobs and those would be they're looking to use area contractors 01:28:23.519 --> 01:28:30.899 so I would assume some would be Lena, Stevenson County, Freeport. I'm sure they'll draw from Freeport as there's just more contractors that coming from Freeport 01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:33.439 in terms of the 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:36.039 full-time and part-time positions, I think it was eight and seven 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:42.960 It depends on who applies for the position, right? It could be anyone from Stevenson County. It could be a Lena resident 01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:49.039 and it could be a Freeport resident, I'm sure they will not have that barrier on that application. 01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:59.359 And then I'd like to, maybe if we could get the answer for Mr. Cook without proper direction 01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:07.840 and if you could clear that up so that we can understand his question. 01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:14.600 Boyer, he's the City Manager. 01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:21.399 So my understanding of the items that Attorney Cook referenced here, there, he was looking 01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:26.279 for just some citations to some previous ordinances that, you know, created the original enterprise 01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:32.079 zone so sort of reference ordinance 123 back from 2000 whatever there. 01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:36.479 Again, I don't think this ordinance as written necessarily right now is deficient. 01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:38.479 and I think that's a good point. 01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:42.479 I think the way that this is written necessarily right now is deficient. 01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:48.479 Do I think that his points that he brings up could add some clarity, some additional information, make it more robust? 01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:56.479 Sure. So I mean, if the council wants, I can certainly add some references into this draft of the ordinance. 01:29:56.479 --> 01:30:03.479 I would only add that this is the same model ordinance that we've used for every Enterprise Zone application that we've put in front of council. 01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:12.319 Alderman, Stacy I would like to make a motion that Attorney 01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:23.959 Zito add the needed language to the ordinance and we bring this back to the November COW 01:30:23.959 --> 01:30:33.000 for further discussion and understanding of what is actually being said and asked of us 01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:42.519 and further discussion at the COW and then it can appear on the agenda the third week 01:30:42.519 --> 01:30:43.519 of November. 01:30:43.519 --> 01:30:55.719 So if that's a motion, I need a second. 01:30:55.719 --> 01:30:58.839 I made a motion that this be taken to the COW. 01:30:58.839 --> 01:31:00.839 I second it. 01:31:00.839 --> 01:31:11.159 and that Attorney Zito add whatever needs to be added to the language. 01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:13.759 So we have a second on that? 01:31:13.759 --> 01:31:14.759 Okay. 01:31:14.759 --> 01:31:24.519 So you have a motion before you for adding the language that's been asked for and then 01:31:24.519 --> 01:31:29.679 to move it to the November COW. 01:31:29.679 --> 01:31:32.679 So is there a discussion on that motion? 01:31:32.679 --> 01:31:33.679 Klemm. 01:31:33.679 --> 01:31:34.679 Alderman Klemm? 01:31:34.679 --> 01:31:40.000 Madam Mayor, is there a time element on this and Bob? 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:41.000 Andrea? 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:46.639 I'd like to move it all the way through all units of government by the beginning of December 01:31:46.639 --> 01:31:50.359 so we could submit this by the end of the year to DCEO. 01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:55.159 This is the second unit of government that is already, that we're at, East Dubuque is 01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:58.439 reading this ordinance and resolution tonight as well. 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:02.759 and we held a public hearing Friday where there was no members of the public who came 01:32:02.759 --> 01:32:04.679 in opposition to the project. 01:32:04.679 --> 01:32:05.679 No one in opposition? 01:32:05.679 --> 01:32:06.679 Correct. 01:32:06.679 --> 01:32:11.439 And your opinion as far as changing the way that we put language in there, is that going 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:16.839 to be in hindrance, any hindrance in future things within Freeport to do that? 01:32:16.839 --> 01:32:22.119 Well I think that it might, since all units of government have to have the same ordinance 01:32:22.119 --> 01:32:27.199 and resolution, it require me to then send out a revised ordinance and resolution to 01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:29.199 and Stacey, and I'm going to say that we have to approve and pass a resolution to every unit of government. 01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:35.199 Lena has already passed this through their village board, so they would have to approve and pass a new resolution and ordinance. 01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:41.199 So there is a possibility that this could not make the cutoff? 01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:45.199 Correct. 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:49.199 Alderman, Stacy? 01:32:49.199 --> 01:33:06.799 I don't think that whether we make the cut off or not is the most important angle here. 01:33:06.799 --> 01:33:18.199 We as the Council need to understand what we are saying and what we are doing. 01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:35.039 And if we're asking for additional information to make it appear better, sound right, then 01:33:35.039 --> 01:33:46.359 I don't feel that it should be denied just because it may delay your date as into when 01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:51.159 you would like to see this prosper. 01:33:51.159 --> 01:33:56.839 I understand that it might be appearing as it is my date, but I am working in response 01:33:56.839 --> 01:34:02.359 to a business that's looking to expand and has already expended money to get this development 01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:08.959 Underway by purchasing this property in an effort to be responsive to business, move 01:34:08.959 --> 01:34:14.799 at the speed of business, to create a business-friendly environment for Northwest Illinois, to increase 01:34:14.799 --> 01:34:17.479 the level of economic development we have here. 01:34:17.479 --> 01:34:23.039 I think it's imperative that sometimes when we ask things to happen, I'm happy to meet 01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:27.619 with anybody one-on-one to answer any questions you have about this project, the enterprise 01:34:27.619 --> 01:34:29.319 zone in general. 01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:36.279 but this is delaying this, the project, they will not break ground until the State of Illinois 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:38.079 approves this enterprise zone. 01:34:38.079 --> 01:34:44.779 The longer we delay, the more money it costs this company. 01:34:44.779 --> 01:34:47.199 Does one person's opinion really have that much weight? 01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:53.479 I mean, this has been the way that these enterprise zones have worked forever. 01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:57.000 One person's opinion to change the whole thing, Alderman, Sellers. 01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:02.519 And I think that's what I was getting ready to say. I said this is just the only reason 01:35:02.519 --> 01:35:09.699 why I asked for this to be clarified for this one person. But if you already said that you 01:35:09.699 --> 01:35:22.699 had a meeting and no one showed up to disagree on the job and the whatever I'm trying to 01:35:22.699 --> 01:35:23.699 say. 01:35:23.699 --> 01:35:24.699 You had a meeting when? 01:35:24.699 --> 01:35:25.699 They had a. 01:35:25.699 --> 01:35:35.699 Friday morning in our office. Public hearing. There was notice put in the Village Voices that ran. We did everything per statute. 01:35:35.699 --> 01:35:44.699 Everything is done per statute. And things are through at us, through at us, through at us. And we want them now, now, now, now, now. 01:35:44.699 --> 01:35:55.779 and then you expect us to make, you expect us to make right decisions for our city and 01:35:55.779 --> 01:35:58.179 for our constituents. 01:35:58.179 --> 01:36:07.579 When you know dark unwell, we don't have a clue of what all this is saying or requiring 01:36:07.579 --> 01:36:14.219 of us and all this commotion comes from this concerned resident. 01:36:14.219 --> 01:36:24.259 and so again I have a motion on the floor that's been seconded and Attorney Zito I don't know 01:36:24.259 --> 01:36:32.219 how long it will take you to make those additives to the ordinance. 01:36:32.219 --> 01:36:37.579 Well your motion is to add it to the COW which sets it back even further and the discussion 01:36:37.579 --> 01:36:45.500 is how that's going to impact all of the other Enterprise Zone partnerships. 01:36:45.500 --> 01:36:49.299 So the bottom line is, do you want economic development in our region? 01:36:49.299 --> 01:36:50.299 That's really what this is about. 01:36:50.299 --> 01:36:55.299 The language alone will delay that. 01:36:55.299 --> 01:37:02.899 But I guess it's just one person that's really complaining, I mean not complaining, but one 01:37:02.899 --> 01:37:05.239 person that doesn't understand it. 01:37:05.239 --> 01:37:11.759 So the only reason why I really did ask about getting clarification is because the one person, 01:37:11.759 --> 01:37:17.959 I just wanted, if he needs to go to them to ask them, then he can do that, but it is... 01:37:17.959 --> 01:37:19.459 But we don't understand it. 01:37:19.459 --> 01:37:21.719 We don't understand it as a council. 01:37:21.719 --> 01:37:23.439 Manager Boyer, you want to shed some light? 01:37:23.439 --> 01:37:28.919 Alderman Stacey, I just wanted to reiterate that I am available from the time you get 01:37:28.919 --> 01:37:32.439 the agenda till the time council meeting starts. 01:37:32.439 --> 01:37:37.099 If there's a question on anything on that agenda, I will make myself available and have always 01:37:37.099 --> 01:37:39.019 made myself available. 01:37:39.019 --> 01:37:40.279 So I just want to reiterate that. 01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:44.159 I did not get a single call about this. 01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:46.619 And all we're asking for is first reading. 01:37:46.619 --> 01:37:52.239 That still gives us three weeks, two solid weeks to review and get all our questions 01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:53.239 answered. 01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:57.000 Then we can come back to this thing on the 4th and get it moving forward. 01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:05.299 So let's go back to what Alderman Stacy put on for a motion of adding language and moving 01:38:05.299 --> 01:38:07.579 to the COW. 01:38:07.579 --> 01:38:10.319 That particular motion itself. 01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:16.659 If there's any further discussion on that motion, if not, Madam Clerk, would you please 01:38:16.659 --> 01:38:21.199 take the roll on moving it to the COW with the added language? 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:22.199 Simmons? 01:38:22.199 --> 01:38:23.199 Aye. 01:38:23.199 --> 01:38:24.199 Parker? 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:25.199 No. 01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:26.199 Stacy? 01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:55.199 Dill, Sanders, Sellers, No, Klemm, No, Monroe, No. The motion fails three to five. Okay, so now back to the original that has been put out there for moving it to the next regular scheduled meeting. If there's no further discussion, we'll move on to item number 11. Alderman, I'm sorry, Alderman Parker. 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:58.879 this here is basically a routine thing they all do they want to build in our 01:38:58.879 --> 01:39:04.559 our county and we're gonna benefit from it so I think this is pretty routine and 01:39:04.559 --> 01:39:08.159 do it do we need a motion to move this on no it already is being moved to the 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:16.279 second reading so yeah I would like to know why this same number 10 and number 01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:21.119 16 you asked earlier at the beginning to be moved are they the same thing no not 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:24.719 exactly the same and it's a procedural thing attorney Zito you want to shed 01:39:24.719 --> 01:39:33.359 So my understanding is that this item right now before you is to amend the ordinance that designated the boundaries. 01:39:33.359 --> 01:39:36.559 So there was an ordinance originally that designated the boundaries. 01:39:36.559 --> 01:39:41.559 and I were originally that designated the boundary from however many years ago there. 01:39:41.559 --> 01:39:43.759 Now that's step one. 01:39:43.759 --> 01:39:48.619 The resolution is that there's an intergovernmental agreement between all those municipalities 01:39:48.619 --> 01:39:52.339 that also has a boundary in it, the same boundary. 01:39:52.339 --> 01:39:56.499 So we have to update both. 01:39:56.499 --> 01:40:00.839 But on the second one, we don't actually have the amendment drafted that wasn't anything 01:40:00.839 --> 01:40:03.579 that was attached so that's why. 01:40:03.579 --> 01:40:04.579 Yeah. 01:40:04.579 --> 01:40:11.379 Okay thank you. Alderman Stacey. So will there be language added to this ordinance yes or no? 01:40:11.379 --> 01:40:13.859 It has not been a part of any motion. 01:40:17.699 --> 01:40:21.459 Let's call the questions. Oh and because I made the motion it failed. 01:40:26.659 --> 01:40:33.859 So what's before you is moving on to the second reading at our next council meeting 01:40:33.859 --> 01:40:35.859 and the rest of the board. 01:40:35.859 --> 01:40:39.859 And I'm going to read the way it states. 01:40:39.859 --> 01:40:41.859 And if you have questions about things, 01:40:41.859 --> 01:40:46.859 Manager Boyer said you can contact him at any point, 01:40:46.859 --> 01:40:49.859 on any agenda item. 01:40:49.859 --> 01:40:53.859 Well, after it leaves here tonight, it's irrelevant. 01:40:53.859 --> 01:40:58.859 What's irrelevant? 01:40:58.859 --> 01:41:00.859 Mayor. 01:41:00.859 --> 01:41:04.819 It is just first read, so this is an ordinance, so it's still going to come back before you 01:41:04.819 --> 01:41:14.659 at the first meeting in November for second reading. 01:41:14.659 --> 01:41:20.459 So if the discussion is done, we'll move on to item number 11, which is the first reading 01:41:20.459 --> 01:41:22.299 of Ordinance 2024-58. 01:41:22.299 --> 01:41:24.019 Could you please read this? 01:41:24.019 --> 01:41:29.379 Ordinance amending newly revised building code to 2018 ICC additions. 01:41:29.379 --> 01:41:59.379 Excuse me, thank you Madam Mayor. So on August 5th of this year the City of Freeport adopted the 2018 edition of the International Code Council building codes and so upon review of the ordinance that had passed at that time staff determined that a few additions needed to be made in order to address all of the items that were agreed upon by the Building Commission and so this proposed ordinance addresses these items and 01:41:59.379 --> 01:42:29.379 Sands. So, example, because there's a few mostly typographical clerical errors that were in this ordinance that are, that's being corrected. But for example, one of the bigger ones is that there's a fuel and gas code, which is essentially your appliances, gas stoves, hot water heaters, furnaces, etc. When we originally passed this code, we were under the understanding that this was incorporated in the mechanical code. It's 01:42:29.379 --> 01:42:34.859 not incorporated in the mechanical code, so we have to pass this ordinance to make sure 01:42:34.859 --> 01:42:39.459 that when people are, our contractors are installing furnaces, hot water heaters, et cetera, they're 01:42:39.459 --> 01:42:42.979 following the fuel and gas code. 01:42:42.979 --> 01:42:46.499 So that's one of the highlights of this ordinance. 01:42:46.499 --> 01:42:49.739 There's a few other clerical changes that were made. 01:42:49.739 --> 01:42:55.039 So staff is recommending moving this ordinance forward. 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:56.039 Thank you. 01:42:56.039 --> 01:42:57.039 Is there a motion to move forward? 01:42:57.039 --> 01:42:58.039 So moved. 01:42:58.039 --> 01:42:59.039 Second. 01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:03.479 Seconded by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Sellers. 01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:07.239 Discussion on the ordinance. 01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:10.239 Seeing none, we'll move on to item number 12, which is the first reading of ordinance 01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:11.239 2024-59. 01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:13.639 Could you please read this? 01:43:13.639 --> 01:43:21.159 Ordinance approving two airport farm leases with Matt Phil and Will Kemple and Dan Julius. 01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:22.919 Thank you, Manager Boyer. 01:43:22.919 --> 01:43:23.919 Thank you, Honor. 01:43:23.919 --> 01:43:53.919 working in meeting with all the farmers that are interested in engaging with ag leases with at the airport. We've got three of the farmers set up here. We've got three in hand and we'd like to move forward and get council's approval on those. The Kempel lease is four plus acres will generate approximately $150 an acre for a total of $610 and 50 cents annually. The Julius 01:43:53.919 --> 01:44:01.999 This lease of 3.21 acres will generate $150 per acre for a total of $481.50 annually. 01:44:01.999 --> 01:44:04.439 So staff would like to move forward with these leases. 01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:06.639 Is there a motion to move these forward? 01:44:06.639 --> 01:44:07.639 So moved. 01:44:07.639 --> 01:44:08.639 Second. 01:44:08.639 --> 01:44:12.019 A motion made by Alderman Seller, seconded by Alderman Shadle. 01:44:12.019 --> 01:44:15.019 Is there a discussion? 01:44:15.019 --> 01:44:16.359 Alderman Stacy? 01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:20.559 Are these the farmers that we're paying? 01:44:20.559 --> 01:44:25.079 Is this the farmers that we're paying? 01:44:25.079 --> 01:44:26.279 I don't understand your question. 01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:27.679 Are we paying the farmers? 01:44:27.679 --> 01:44:28.179 No. 01:44:28.179 --> 01:44:30.599 No, she wants to know, are those the ones that have actually 01:44:30.599 --> 01:44:32.159 paid their amount? 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:34.679 Darren? 01:44:34.679 --> 01:44:38.119 These are ones that we're not paying that did not realize 01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:41.439 that they were renting this area. 01:44:41.439 --> 01:44:44.879 This is the north area that's by the lighting system. 01:44:44.879 --> 01:44:47.959 So it's kind of a grassy area that really doesn't 01:44:47.959 --> 01:44:49.839 have a lot of crop value. 01:44:49.839 --> 01:44:53.739 and is realistically the entrance to both of those fields. 01:44:55.859 --> 01:44:57.299 Is that what you were looking for? 01:44:57.299 --> 01:44:59.459 It has no crop value? 01:44:59.459 --> 01:45:01.599 Not much, no. 01:45:01.599 --> 01:45:03.859 It's like I said, it's right off the north end 01:45:03.859 --> 01:45:07.059 of the light system and a very small acreage. 01:45:07.059 --> 01:45:09.379 A matter of fact, they can barely turn equipment around 01:45:09.379 --> 01:45:11.659 in the little acreage that they have 01:45:11.659 --> 01:45:14.659 because it's kind of a narrow path with the light system 01:45:14.659 --> 01:45:16.099 that gets them down to the field. 01:45:16.099 --> 01:45:20.939 So the other leases are coming. 01:45:20.939 --> 01:45:25.739 We just met with the final person last week 01:45:25.739 --> 01:45:29.059 and their attorney's reviewing it, but the rest of them 01:45:29.059 --> 01:45:30.819 are coming shortly. 01:45:30.819 --> 01:45:34.339 And how did you come up with this price? 01:45:34.339 --> 01:45:36.339 I believe these are the exact prices that 01:45:36.339 --> 01:45:40.899 were discussed at the council meeting a month ago, 01:45:40.899 --> 01:45:42.859 month and a half ago, something like that, 01:45:42.859 --> 01:45:45.739 that we did the crop evaluations. 01:45:45.739 --> 01:45:48.019 There's other ground that's going for more, 01:45:48.019 --> 01:45:53.019 but this ground is really not that great of ground. 01:45:53.779 --> 01:45:56.439 I think the highest rent that we have out there, 01:45:58.219 --> 01:46:00.259 I think it's two and a quarter an acre. 01:46:02.779 --> 01:46:03.619 Thank you. 01:46:07.339 --> 01:46:08.799 It is a three year lease too. 01:46:12.599 --> 01:46:14.539 If there's no further discussion, 01:46:14.539 --> 01:46:30.739 and this is 610 for the entire year and 481.50 for the entire year and it's a 01:46:30.739 --> 01:46:33.859 three-year contract so times it by three that's the income for the city on those 01:46:33.859 --> 01:46:51.219 There's nothing further. We'll move on to item number 13, which is the adoption of Resolution 01:46:51.219 --> 01:46:57.899 2024-109. Could you please read this? Resolution authorizing and approving a software 01:46:57.899 --> 01:47:03.459 renewal from Ferguson Waterworks for AMI Neptune 360 utility software. 01:47:03.459 --> 01:47:04.459 Thank you. 01:47:04.459 --> 01:47:05.459 Director Sutman. 01:47:05.459 --> 01:47:06.500 Hello, Council. 01:47:06.500 --> 01:47:10.219 This is an annual agreement we do with Ferguson, who's the vendor. 01:47:10.219 --> 01:47:16.339 Neptune is the actual equipment provider. 01:47:16.339 --> 01:47:21.379 It's for our automated water meter reading software platform, and this is the annual 01:47:21.379 --> 01:47:25.219 support contract for it. 01:47:25.219 --> 01:47:33.379 It's for $34,133.26, and it's already in the budget for this year. 01:47:33.379 --> 01:48:03.379 is there a motion to adopt? Second. Motion made by Alderman Sellers, seconded by Alderman Shadle. Discussion on this resolution? Madam Clerk, please take the roll. Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. The resolution is adopted 8 to 0. Item number 14 01:48:03.379 --> 01:48:08.979 its adoption of resolution 2024 110 could you please read this resolution 01:48:08.979 --> 01:48:13.419 approving placing an order for a replacement a replacement fire engine 01:48:13.419 --> 01:48:18.539 chief Miller thank you mayor last week at the cow we had a long detailed 01:48:18.539 --> 01:48:24.419 conversation about our vehicle replacement replacement plan we 01:48:24.419 --> 01:48:30.379 indicated that our current engine one will be due to be downgraded to reserve 01:48:30.379 --> 01:48:35.879 vaccum, andأ And then last week we also talked about 01:48:35.879 --> 01:48:43.339 the four-year wait for an apparatus to be built and delivered. And also we discussed 01:48:43.339 --> 01:48:51.379 the pricing of the vehicle. So by placing an order to be delivered four years from now, 01:48:51.379 --> 01:48:57.479 we'll avoid a November 1st price increase and also subsequent increases in next February, 01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:04.959 May, August, and November, which will save the City over $92,000. And it seemed that 01:49:04.959 --> 01:49:13.579 there was overwhelming support in placing that order for a four-year delivery last week. 01:49:13.579 --> 01:49:21.599 And so the only question that was raised back last week for today's consideration was what 01:49:21.599 --> 01:49:28.319 type of financing should the city consider taking advantage of a hundred 01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:32.839 percent prepayment option was available a fifty percent prepayment option was 01:49:32.839 --> 01:49:38.399 available or pay for the entire vehicle at the time 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:42.279 Haver, Pay for the entire view critical at the time of delivery. 01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:45.679 So this week I met with the Finance Director. 01:49:45.679 --> 01:49:49.759 We looked over the account where this would be funded by. 01:49:49.759 --> 01:49:53.460 We also looked at anticipative expenses coming up. 01:49:53.460 --> 01:49:58.819 We both agreed that the 50% prepayment discount would be to the advantage of the city. 01:49:58.819 --> 01:50:07.359 And still keeping adequate funds available for any subsequent and anticipated costs coming 01:50:07.359 --> 01:50:08.359 up the next calendar year. 01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:15.359 Underyear. So tonight we're seeking the approval of Council to adopt a resolution to place 01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:17.359 an order for four years from now. 01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:25.679 Thank you, Chief. So what's before you then, Council? Is there a motion to adopt the resolution 01:50:25.679 --> 01:50:26.679 for placing the order? 01:50:26.679 --> 01:50:27.679 So moved. 01:50:27.679 --> 01:50:28.679 Second. 01:50:28.679 --> 01:50:37.439 We have a motion made by Alderman Sellers, seconded by Alderman Shadle. Any discussion 01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:44.399 Alderman Monroe. Madam Mayor, this is one of the most egregious requests I've ever 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:50.599 seen come in front of us as a council. Having brand new equipment every day, 01:50:50.599 --> 01:50:56.839 having brand new gear, brand new everything, when similar size or larger 01:50:56.839 --> 01:51:04.599 communities are getting by with significant less spend. I started doing 01:51:04.599 --> 01:51:12.099 and some research on this. I will tell you, you know, we talk every year and I've been 01:51:12.099 --> 01:51:17.399 a big proponent, big backer of the fire department. I think they do a lot of great work. But I 01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:23.719 think the chief is overextending himself. And I started looking around and these types 01:51:23.719 --> 01:51:27.399 of requests, we just bought a brand new ladder, we bought a brand new engine, we bought two 01:51:27.399 --> 01:51:32.639 new ambulances, we got a grant for one of them. And we've replaced so much gear and 01:51:32.639 --> 01:51:35.639 D. Fowler, John, and I have been on the council for a long time. 01:51:35.639 --> 01:51:39.739 It's time to seriously look at cutting back and saving money. 01:51:39.739 --> 01:51:47.239 And yes, voting this forward is just another way that several of our council members want 01:51:47.239 --> 01:51:51.920 to just continue to tax the people of Freeport into oblivion. 01:51:51.920 --> 01:52:00.579 I will tell you two communities, Sun Prairie, Wisconsin, 36,000 people, they have 17 full-time 01:52:00.579 --> 01:52:06.739 Firefighters, 65 paid-on-call firefighters. They have a brand new fire station. They have 01:52:06.739 --> 01:52:13.739 all of the gear. Geneva, Illinois, 24,500 people serviced, 20 full-time firefighters, 01:52:13.739 --> 01:52:20.119 46 paid-on-call. And they have lots of great equipment. And every year, this fire department 01:52:20.119 --> 01:52:26.879 comes back and asks for more and more and more and more. And they can't stop. And it's 01:52:26.879 --> 01:52:27.879 and others. 01:52:27.879 --> 01:52:31.359 It's time that we as a council say no. 01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:34.479 You know, these are multi-million dollar spends. 01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:39.479 It's the, you know, sitting here looking through earlier, the fire department's budget for 01:52:39.479 --> 01:52:43.839 this year is over $6 million. 01:52:43.839 --> 01:52:47.639 And we have so much infrastructure that needs help, what are you going to run a fire truck 01:52:47.639 --> 01:52:51.960 to when the infrastructure under the streets doesn't work? 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:53.399 The pipes break. 01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:56.039 We can't handle the water pressure. 01:52:56.039 --> 01:53:00.279 We're just now getting to a point where my water doesn't break three, four, five, six, 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:08.319 seven times a year and it's time to like get real and have a conversation. 01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:11.639 Just because you're going through the checkout line at the grocery store doesn't mean you 01:53:11.639 --> 01:53:15.960 need to get a pack of candy every time you go through for your kids. 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:17.479 Same thing is true for the fire department. 01:53:17.479 --> 01:53:25.159 Okay, I'm sorry it's a four year time frame to buy a new engine, but we can make do without 01:53:25.159 --> 01:53:55.159 Fowler, Mayor, Mayor, Mayor, Mayor, Mayor 01:53:55.159 --> 01:53:56.159 and others. 01:53:56.159 --> 01:53:57.960 So everybody knows the infrastructure, the water, the sewer, the things done that we 01:53:57.960 --> 01:53:59.259 need. 01:53:59.259 --> 01:54:03.099 And most of our calls and I sat and I watched. 01:54:03.099 --> 01:54:05.599 I actually went around. 01:54:05.599 --> 01:54:09.659 I heard the fire engines a couple times, two, three times in the last week. 01:54:09.659 --> 01:54:10.659 And I went. 01:54:10.659 --> 01:54:11.979 It was an ambulance call. 01:54:11.979 --> 01:54:17.000 And there was an engine sitting right there with the ammos every single time. 01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:21.479 And so I started thinking about what are these calls? 01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:26.679 and I know this is a little bit long and kind of hard to understand, but we take this equipment 01:54:26.679 --> 01:54:30.279 that we spend millions and millions of dollars on and we run it all over the city. 01:54:30.279 --> 01:54:32.199 We go to Cubfoos to get groceries. 01:54:32.199 --> 01:54:38.559 We go all over the city to help the ambulance out and at some point I can't sit back and 01:54:38.559 --> 01:54:40.119 say it's okay. 01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:42.479 It's not okay. 01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:43.920 We've got three ambulances. 01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:45.599 We've added multiple firefighters. 01:54:45.599 --> 01:54:51.000 We had grants to add those in and now we're asking for another and let me get my numbers 01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:52.000 and others. 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:54.839 I've got to open it back up on this app. 01:54:54.839 --> 01:55:03.479 You know, a million plus, I'll say, let me pull the proposal up. 01:55:03.479 --> 01:55:04.479 Thank you, Madam Mayor. 01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:09.639 $1.2 million, and quite honestly, you want a brand new engine? 01:55:09.639 --> 01:55:12.079 Cut it out of your personnel and payroll. 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:13.960 Start looking hardcore at what you've got. 01:55:13.960 --> 01:55:18.559 You're going to about three fires a month, and most of those aren't really real fires. 01:55:18.559 --> 01:55:48.559 I would be, I'd venture to say we maybe do one, one and a half on average house fires or building fires in the city of Freeport a month and quite honestly the amount of money we're spending to do that is absolutely preposterous and you know I see Freeport rule I see some of these other departments around the area they're able to do it with much less money and and to budget it much better we can't be adding these these costs to us every year we're still paying for the ones that we got and 01:55:48.559 --> 01:55:52.399 and we've got to make sure we're doing the right thing as a city there's no way 01:55:52.399 --> 01:55:57.839 I'm voting yes on this. Chief Miller. Yes thank you Mayor. Alderman Monroe I 01:55:57.839 --> 01:56:02.359 appreciate your emotional response here however there's a lot of facts you're 01:56:02.359 --> 01:56:07.159 not aware of our operations I'd be happy to sit down with you explain to you how 01:56:07.159 --> 01:56:11.119 the fire department runs because you have no clear concept in that right now 01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:15.920 so you talk about these other agencies that have brand new stations brand new 01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:16.719 and 01:56:16.719 --> 01:56:17.920 the 01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:18.920 City of 01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:19.920 Washington. 01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:20.920 And 01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:21.920 we 01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:22.920 have 01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:23.920 a 01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:24.920 lot 01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:25.920 of 01:56:25.920 --> 01:56:26.920 people 01:56:26.920 --> 01:56:27.920 who 01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:28.920 are 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:29.920 in 01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:30.920 the 01:56:30.920 --> 01:56:31.920 city 01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:32.920 and 01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:33.920 they 01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:34.920 are 01:56:34.920 --> 01:56:35.920 in 01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:36.920 the 01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:37.920 city 01:56:37.920 --> 01:56:38.920 and 01:56:38.920 --> 01:56:39.920 they 01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:40.920 are 01:56:40.920 --> 01:56:41.920 in 01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:42.920 the 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:43.920 city 01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:44.920 and 01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:50.920 You could not get parts for it. We were dumping good money after bad into that vehicle. It was falling apart. 01:56:50.920 --> 01:56:56.920 In my presentation to justify replacing it, there was a big sign on the door, this vehicle is out of service. 01:56:56.920 --> 01:57:01.920 That was for 10 months. Now, if we had a structure fire in Hosmer, Lincoln Towers, or anywhere else, 01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:06.920 there's a high probability we would not be able to affect any rescues off of balconies. 01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:11.920 So, I consider myself the subject matter expert with regard to the fire operations. 01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:15.759 Williams, I'd be happy to sit down with you and explain that in great detail so you'd have 01:57:15.759 --> 01:57:17.559 a better understanding. 01:57:17.559 --> 01:57:23.000 So this engine that we're looking to replace, you seem to support it at the Finance COW 01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:24.839 when we talked about fire. 01:57:24.839 --> 01:57:29.359 It's 14 years old now, four years from now it'll be 18, typically they go into reserve 01:57:29.359 --> 01:57:30.960 around 15. 01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:38.479 And then we're going to put it in a response reserve mode so it'll still be available to 01:57:38.479 --> 01:57:39.479 us. 01:57:39.479 --> 01:57:44.079 I think this is sound fiscal management of finances. 01:57:44.079 --> 01:57:46.039 I'm showing how it's paid for. 01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:48.359 I'm showing the cost and its savings. 01:57:48.359 --> 01:57:52.899 And then talking about the streets and things like that, 01:57:52.899 --> 01:57:56.479 the city takes 54% of fire ambulance billing 01:57:56.479 --> 01:57:58.239 and puts it in the general fund. 01:57:58.239 --> 01:58:00.199 So that money is also being recycled 01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:02.199 back into the general fund. 01:58:02.199 --> 01:58:05.000 Fire Department's the only department 01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:07.899 that brings in revenue and assists 01:58:07.899 --> 01:58:12.899 with the day-to-day costs of running city services. 01:58:14.179 --> 01:58:15.019 Alderman Shadle. 01:58:16.539 --> 01:58:21.159 Just to reiterate that the money for this 01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:23.759 is coming from those ambulance fees. 01:58:25.939 --> 01:58:30.939 And second of all, I don't want a truck 01:58:32.959 --> 01:58:36.000 or an ambulance to break down on the way 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:42.000 My Parents' Houses, or mine. Thank you. 01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:50.000 Ms. Stacy. Chief Miller, you were saying, what did you say again about the 54 percent? 01:58:50.000 --> 01:59:04.000 Did you say 54 percent or 54 what? I said 54 percent. So each year at the end of the year, the Finance Department looks at the revenues brought in by the Fire Capital Improvement Fund. 01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:14.559 and by ordinance, 54% of those revenues are transferred over to the city's general fund. 01:59:14.559 --> 01:59:20.439 And what are we as a city doing with that money? 01:59:20.439 --> 01:59:21.439 Manager Boyer? 01:59:21.439 --> 01:59:26.119 It goes back into general fund and we use it from everything for paying payroll to buying 01:59:26.119 --> 01:59:27.119 materials. 01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:28.119 Okay. 01:59:28.119 --> 01:59:31.920 And that's not new, that's been set by ordinance for quite some time. 01:59:31.920 --> 01:59:38.920 I don't understand that, but originally when that account was created... 01:59:38.920 --> 01:59:48.880 account was created, was it created for the fire department to have the monies they need 01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:56.720 to do what they need to do or was it originally created with the idea that the city would 01:59:56.720 --> 02:00:00.640 take 54% at the end of every year? 02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:01.640 It's changed over time. 02:00:01.640 --> 02:00:03.640 Michelle, do you have specifics on that? 02:00:03.640 --> 02:00:11.079 No, I was just going to look up the ordinance and see how old it was because maybe we need 02:00:11.079 --> 02:00:17.359 to look at the ordinance and do something different. 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:20.960 So that's probably off topic. 02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:21.960 Oh. 02:00:21.960 --> 02:00:27.199 So you can, if Michelle, when you have that answer, could you put that out there so we 02:00:27.199 --> 02:00:29.239 have that knowledge? 02:00:29.239 --> 02:00:31.359 Okay. 02:00:31.359 --> 02:00:42.239 So the city is that depended upon that 54% and you said for wages? 02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:48.279 It goes into general fund as used from soup to nuts. 02:00:48.279 --> 02:01:05.440 Any, yeah. Go ahead, go ahead. No, I was just going to ask, um, this replacement fire engine, 02:01:05.440 --> 02:01:12.279 what station would it go to? It'd be going to the Park Boulevard station. And that vehicle 02:01:12.279 --> 02:01:18.560 there's a smaller ladder truck and as a cost savings measure we're seeking to 02:01:18.560 --> 02:01:24.399 replace it with just a pump or a fire engine not another ladder truck so an 02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:30.000 example that the brand new engine that we just received we ordered in 2022 that 02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:35.279 came in just under nine hundred thousand dollars that same vehicle what with the 02:01:35.279 --> 02:01:40.560 same equipment same bill sheet on it two years later is 1.2 million dollars 02:01:40.560 --> 02:01:46.359 and others. It's gone up 150,000 per year for a total of 300,000. And this escalation 02:01:46.359 --> 02:01:52.800 of cost is what we're trying to avoid and that's why it's before you tonight. 02:01:52.800 --> 02:01:57.920 And Chief Miller, you were saying that this vehicle right now that you want to replace 02:01:57.920 --> 02:01:59.960 is 14 years old, you said? 02:01:59.960 --> 02:02:01.520 It's currently 14 years old. 02:02:01.520 --> 02:02:06.359 And you said the average time limit is 15 years, you said? 02:02:06.359 --> 02:02:12.440 For frontline use, approximately 15 years, depending on condition and use. 02:02:12.440 --> 02:02:18.239 So if it's run hard and not maintained appropriately, it could be less. 02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:22.920 But we've got a real good maintenance program and we're looking to keep that vehicle in 02:02:22.920 --> 02:02:29.600 reserve status, a functional reserve, so if a second ladder was needed, that most personnel 02:02:29.600 --> 02:02:35.800 would jump from that engine over to the ladder, short ladder truck, and respond in that. 02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:38.760 So it would still have a useful value to us. 02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:43.880 But by doing this, it would extend that useful life. 02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:51.440 And then you did talk with the finance director on it was affordable. 02:02:51.440 --> 02:02:53.480 It was with the 50 percent? 02:02:53.480 --> 02:02:54.480 Yes. 02:02:54.480 --> 02:03:00.800 She was comfortable with a 50 percent prepayment discount, which would reduce the cost of the 02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:17.640 of the vehicle by $61,456 on top of saving the $92,000 of anticipated price increases. 02:03:17.640 --> 02:03:20.319 The funding will be at a later date. 02:03:20.319 --> 02:03:23.159 This is just about the approval of the order. 02:03:23.159 --> 02:03:24.159 Alderman Monroe. 02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:26.199 Thank you, Madam Mayor. 02:03:26.199 --> 02:03:29.640 Chief, how many times has that ladder been run into the building? 02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:36.119 it's three times and how much were the damages each time I'm not familiar with 02:03:36.119 --> 02:03:41.560 what the invoices were on that but it has been rebuilt and it's gone to the 02:03:41.560 --> 02:03:46.760 factory so it's been factory certified additionally our aerial devices and our 02:03:46.760 --> 02:03:52.440 ground ladders have to be certified and tested annually so it's in good working 02:03:52.440 --> 02:03:58.279 shape but that's why we're looking to extend the useful life of that vehicle 02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:05.960 Manager Boyer. Chief, could you also just let Council know the worst case scenario 02:04:05.960 --> 02:04:10.880 if you had to, if we had an emergency need for funds, can that order be 02:04:10.880 --> 02:04:19.000 canceled? Yes, being that it's a four-year build time, so we could 02:04:19.000 --> 02:04:26.600 deobligate ourselves from that purchase up until when we have the 02:04:26.600 --> 02:04:31.800 and the meeting for the pre-build, which is about nine months before it goes to construction. 02:04:31.800 --> 02:04:36.239 And after that, if it was actually on the assembly line and we tried to cancel, then 02:04:36.239 --> 02:04:41.000 there could be a 30 percent penalty. 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:45.760 But that's if they cancel it to another agency, which is why we're at four years, because 02:04:45.760 --> 02:04:47.840 there's a waiting line. 02:04:47.840 --> 02:04:53.760 But we're trying to avoid all these subsequent price increases. 02:04:53.760 --> 02:05:04.920 is there any further discussion I'd like to make one more comment I just hope the 02:05:04.920 --> 02:05:10.119 water the water lines can work because we have zero zero tanker trucks is that 02:05:10.119 --> 02:05:15.920 correct that's correct we have hydrants we don't we don't have tanker trucks mm-hmm 02:05:15.920 --> 02:05:21.920 so if the water pressure goes off and the line breaks the hydrants don't work 02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:25.920 Fert, is that correct? Since I'm not a subject matter expert. 02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:30.079 It could be correct but we have mutual aid agreements with other agencies providing they 02:05:30.079 --> 02:05:38.079 have personnel that can respond to us during daytime hours. And our vehicles have 750 gallons 02:05:38.079 --> 02:05:46.460 of water and a tender, they're actually called tenders, have up to 3,000 gallons. So based 02:05:46.460 --> 02:05:48.460 and 02:05:49.420 --> 02:05:50.460 the 02:05:50.460 --> 02:05:51.460 City of 02:05:51.460 --> 02:05:52.460 Washington. 02:05:52.460 --> 02:05:54.460 We have a 02:05:54.460 --> 02:05:55.460 great 02:05:55.460 --> 02:05:56.460 community 02:05:56.460 --> 02:05:57.460 and 02:05:57.460 --> 02:05:58.460 we 02:05:58.460 --> 02:05:59.460 have 02:05:59.460 --> 02:06:00.460 a 02:06:00.460 --> 02:06:01.460 great 02:06:01.460 --> 02:06:02.460 community 02:06:02.460 --> 02:06:03.460 and 02:06:03.460 --> 02:06:04.460 we 02:06:04.460 --> 02:06:05.460 have a 02:06:05.460 --> 02:06:06.460 great 02:06:06.460 --> 02:06:07.460 community 02:06:07.460 --> 02:06:08.460 and 02:06:08.460 --> 02:06:09.460 we 02:06:09.460 --> 02:06:10.460 have a 02:06:10.460 --> 02:06:11.460 great 02:06:11.460 --> 02:06:12.460 community 02:06:12.460 --> 02:06:13.460 and 02:06:13.460 --> 02:06:14.460 we 02:06:14.460 --> 02:06:15.460 have a 02:06:15.460 --> 02:06:45.460 I would guess that millions and millions of gallons of water were put on that fire I can't even imagine the building went to the ground but my point is is if the infrastructure can't handle the transport of the water to the hydrants which is becoming a bigger and bigger issue in the city the fire engines and ladder trucks you can have all the great equipment in the world you can't get enough water to them to affect a really a meaningful attack on a fire without huge support from 02:06:45.460 --> 02:06:49.140 from our rural communities, which they always come to our aid. 02:06:49.140 --> 02:06:53.140 And I believe the bigger issue we've got moving forward 02:06:53.140 --> 02:06:55.899 or have it revolve around the ambulance service, 02:06:55.899 --> 02:06:58.220 I think you and I probably would agree on that 02:06:58.220 --> 02:07:02.140 because the rural agencies just don't have the support 02:07:02.140 --> 02:07:04.060 and the qualifications and the training 02:07:04.060 --> 02:07:06.779 to keep their departments running 02:07:06.779 --> 02:07:09.739 and it finding being harder and harder to find people. 02:07:09.739 --> 02:07:21.420 I think this is well-intentioned, but I think this is very misplaced money. I'll leave it at that, Mayor. 02:07:25.980 --> 02:07:26.940 Any further discussion? 02:07:29.899 --> 02:07:36.300 Madam Clerk, would you please take the role on the adoption of Resolution 2024-110? Simmons? 02:07:36.300 --> 02:08:06.300 She stepped out. Oh, I am so sorry. She is currently absent. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. And Monroe? No. The motion passes 6 to 1. Item number 15 is the adoption of resolution 02:08:06.300 --> 02:08:09.659 Resolution 2024-111, could you please read this? 02:08:09.659 --> 02:08:12.220 Resolution ratifying emergency repairs 02:08:12.220 --> 02:08:14.579 to wastewater treatment plant raw sewage pump 02:08:14.579 --> 02:08:18.220 and engagement of precision drive and control or PDC. 02:08:18.220 --> 02:08:19.539 Thank you, Manager Boyer. 02:08:19.539 --> 02:08:20.539 Thank you, Your Honor. 02:08:20.539 --> 02:08:23.659 Recently, the wastewater treatment plant 02:08:23.659 --> 02:08:25.539 influence pumps, which are the main pumps 02:08:25.539 --> 02:08:27.659 that convey the raw wastewater 02:08:27.659 --> 02:08:29.380 through the treatment process. 02:08:29.380 --> 02:08:31.619 One of them catastrophically failed. 02:08:31.619 --> 02:08:38.640 Recently, the city maintenance crews pulled the affected pump motor and found that a bearing 02:08:38.640 --> 02:08:43.520 had catastrophically failed, causing the commutator to impact the stationary magnets inside the 02:08:43.520 --> 02:08:52.440 motor. This requires an emergency repair, so having gone to PDC, the cost of a full 02:08:52.440 --> 02:08:58.659 repair is $25,489, and that is compared with the cost of a new pump. Unfortunately, this 02:08:58.659 --> 02:09:03.720 This is untimely being that we're in the process of working on our headworks, but it does highlight 02:09:03.720 --> 02:09:09.300 the fact that the headworks is very old and in degraded condition. 02:09:09.300 --> 02:09:16.500 So staff requests support from the City Council for the PDC invoice for the pump repair of 02:09:16.500 --> 02:09:20.039 $25,489. 02:09:20.039 --> 02:09:21.039 Is there a motion to adopt? 02:09:21.039 --> 02:09:22.039 I'll make a motion. 02:09:22.039 --> 02:09:23.039 Second. 02:09:23.039 --> 02:09:31.039 The motion made by Alderman Monroe, seconded by Alderman Shadle. Discussion. Alderman Sanders. 02:09:31.039 --> 02:09:38.039 Manager Boyer, those pumps that you're referring to 02:09:38.039 --> 02:09:45.159 you're referring to, do they have a scheduling for maintenance and do we have a maintenance 02:09:45.159 --> 02:09:54.319 crew that if it is scheduled before anything breaks down, is it being maintained on a schedule 02:09:54.319 --> 02:09:57.800 basis monthly or whatever the case may be? 02:09:57.800 --> 02:10:04.359 I don't know how you do your scheduling, but as someone out there routine, as a routine 02:10:04.359 --> 02:10:11.840 to look at the situation to have the City not to be spending these expenditures if we have 02:10:11.840 --> 02:10:21.439 a maintenance department that actually look into those kinds of areas because I know they, 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:29.000 from what I understand, you have to keep the bearings that you're referring to that needs 02:10:29.000 --> 02:10:35.600 to be replaced and things like that. And then if we had someone in there to maintain those 02:10:35.600 --> 02:10:45.279 kinds of things, we wouldn't be asking the council to, well, I know they get old, but 02:10:45.279 --> 02:10:51.680 the thing about it is if they kept up the maintenance, those pumps would run for years, 02:10:51.680 --> 02:10:57.319 decades if we had someone to maintain it. Do we have any staff people? 02:10:57.319 --> 02:11:27.319 Manager, Boyer. Yes, we have an excellent maintenance staff. They do maintain all the oils, bearings, and maintenance that's required on these pumps. So there was apparently some type of material defect in the bearing that caused it to fail prematurely. But I do believe the pump has been in service for years on top of that. Okay, and we do this routine scheduling for maintenance on a regular basis. What would you say, monthly? 02:11:27.319 --> 02:11:30.119 every two, three quarterly or whatever? 02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:33.640 Well, we maintain it based on the manufacturer specification. 02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:36.640 Okay, okay, all right. 02:11:36.640 --> 02:11:38.159 Thank you, Mayor. 02:11:38.159 --> 02:11:39.359 Any further discussion? 02:11:41.000 --> 02:11:42.380 Madam Clerk, please take the roll. 02:11:42.380 --> 02:11:43.220 Simmons? 02:11:44.079 --> 02:11:44.920 Aye. 02:11:44.920 --> 02:11:45.739 Parker? 02:11:45.739 --> 02:11:46.579 Aye. 02:11:46.579 --> 02:11:47.399 Stacy? 02:11:47.399 --> 02:11:48.239 Aye. 02:11:48.239 --> 02:11:49.079 Shadle? 02:11:49.079 --> 02:11:49.899 Aye. 02:11:49.899 --> 02:11:50.739 Sanders? 02:11:50.739 --> 02:11:51.579 Aye. 02:11:51.579 --> 02:11:52.399 Sellers? 02:11:52.399 --> 02:11:53.239 Aye. 02:11:53.239 --> 02:11:54.079 Klemm? 02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:54.899 Aye. 02:11:54.899 --> 02:11:55.739 And Monroe? 02:11:55.739 --> 02:11:56.579 Aye. 02:11:56.579 --> 02:12:04.420 Oro. Item number 17 is the adoption of resolution 2024-113. Could you please read this? Resolution 02:12:04.420 --> 02:12:10.539 designated honorary street name of Bishop James Arthur Wade Way to Armstrong Avenue. 02:12:10.539 --> 02:12:21.600 Thank you Director Duckman. Thank you, thank you Madam Mayor. So the honorary street name 02:12:21.600 --> 02:12:26.180 program allows residents the opportunity to honor those leaders that are steadfast in their 02:12:26.180 --> 02:12:56.180 Devers making significant contributions to the city. Once approved, the sign will be displayed at the requested block commemorating that leaders dedication and hard work for the city within the city of Freeport. Bishop James Arthur Wade has been a resident in the community since the 1960s. And when he heard his calling to minister, he answered, has been serving his community for close to 50 years. He founded the faith, the faith of Miracle 02:12:56.180 --> 02:13:00.880 Deliverance and Worship Center. He is known for his faith, caring for the less fortunate 02:13:00.880 --> 02:13:04.699 and counseling those in the community seeking spiritual and secular guidance. And as we 02:13:04.699 --> 02:13:12.060 heard earlier, the public has attested to that. Bishop Arthur Wade is known in the community 02:13:12.060 --> 02:13:16.939 for his innovative and profound teachings. So Ms. D. Sanders Moore approached the City 02:13:16.939 --> 02:13:23.000 of Freeport last year and has been working diligently to do all of the work to bring 02:13:23.000 --> 02:13:25.300 after their death. 02:13:25.300 --> 02:13:38.439 I'm going to show you where this is going to go. 02:13:38.439 --> 02:13:43.720 So on the first slide we're going to go here. 02:13:43.720 --> 02:13:48.239 You can see that this is Armstrong and this is South Street. 02:13:48.239 --> 02:13:51.119 And there's a star here but I'm pointing it out. 02:13:51.119 --> 02:13:55.979 That is the corner where we're going to see the sign, and if you go to the next page, 02:13:55.979 --> 02:13:58.479 this kind of shows that intersection. 02:13:58.479 --> 02:14:01.520 They're adding an honorary sign right below this sign. 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:05.800 So that's what is before you. 02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:06.800 Thank you. 02:14:06.800 --> 02:14:08.000 Is there a motion to adopt? 02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:09.000 So move. 02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:10.000 Second. 02:14:10.000 --> 02:14:14.439 A motion made by Alderman Sellers, seconded by Alderman Shadle. 02:14:14.439 --> 02:14:15.439 Discussion on this resolution. 02:14:15.439 --> 02:14:16.439 Alderman Sanders. 02:14:16.439 --> 02:14:17.439 I'll wait. 02:14:17.439 --> 02:14:18.439 Go ahead. 02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:44.439 Wait. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I just want to say the street sign Armstrong. Would that also be part of the Bishop of DeWade sign? That sign would be posted, but Armstrong would still be in place? 02:14:44.439 --> 02:14:48.939 Yes, Alderperson, Sanders. It's an honorary sign. We'll just be underneath it. 02:14:48.939 --> 02:14:50.939 Okay, gotcha. Alright, thank you. 02:14:52.939 --> 02:14:53.939 Alderman Shadle. 02:14:53.939 --> 02:14:59.939 The church next to PDC, is that the Reverend's church there? 02:15:02.939 --> 02:15:06.939 No, Bishop Wade's church is out on Baileyville. 02:15:07.939 --> 02:15:09.939 Oh, to the south. 02:15:11.939 --> 02:15:13.939 Okay, thank you. 02:15:14.439 --> 02:15:25.319 any further discussion yeah yeah where does Armstrong because I'm I just wanted 02:15:25.319 --> 02:15:34.119 to know and where Bailey where Armstrong and Baileyville road intersect in the 02:15:34.119 --> 02:15:39.159 city limits it's Armstrong in the county it's Baileyville right so that sign 02:15:39.159 --> 02:15:43.479 postage would be where the Barco car lot that's where that is Barco and then 02:15:43.479 --> 02:15:48.739 there's a cemetery there right okay okay then you cross that is Baileyville right 02:15:48.739 --> 02:15:53.680 there it would be Baileyville south of there so Bailey excuse me it's the same 02:15:53.680 --> 02:15:58.659 street one is County you know County can't call them streets the same name 02:15:58.659 --> 02:16:04.520 as the city so the city has its name Armstrong and then this is County Road 02:16:05.279 --> 02:16:11.699 there's no further discussion ma'am clerk please take the role Simmons hi Parker 02:16:11.699 --> 02:16:21.460 Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. The 02:16:21.460 --> 02:16:28.899 resolution is adopted unanimously 8 to 0. Thank you ladies. Item number 18 is 02:16:28.899 --> 02:16:34.899 adoption of resolution 2024 114. Could you please read this? Resolution 02:16:34.899 --> 02:16:38.780 approving engineering agreement with Fehr Graham to create Americans with 02:16:38.780 --> 02:16:42.420 Disabilities Act, ADA, Transition Plan, and Compliance 02:16:42.420 --> 02:16:43.540 Inventory. 02:16:43.540 --> 02:16:45.180 Manager Boyer. 02:16:45.180 --> 02:16:51.979 I'm going to yield my time to Director Darren Steekman. 02:16:51.979 --> 02:16:52.979 Good evening. 02:16:52.979 --> 02:16:57.020 This is the item that we discussed at the COW. 02:16:57.020 --> 02:17:01.579 This is the ADA transition plan that's required by IDOT. 02:17:01.579 --> 02:17:03.899 It's part of our MFT agreement. 02:17:03.899 --> 02:17:06.420 It's required for communities that have more than 50 02:17:06.420 --> 02:17:11.420 We've got full-time employees and over 20,000 people. 02:17:12.100 --> 02:17:15.120 We delayed this as long as we could this year, 02:17:15.120 --> 02:17:17.659 looking for some type of funding to create it, 02:17:17.659 --> 02:17:21.059 but we ultimately were not successful to get funding. 02:17:22.280 --> 02:17:24.940 Our desire is to get this moving. 02:17:24.940 --> 02:17:28.180 It will be due before next year's allotments. 02:17:28.180 --> 02:17:32.219 And I would like to get moving on the survey in Topo 02:17:32.219 --> 02:17:35.620 that needs to be done within the city before snow flies 02:17:35.620 --> 02:17:38.760 so we can write the plan during the winter months. 02:17:38.819 --> 02:17:45.200 I believe the agreement is for $81,750. 02:17:45.260 --> 02:17:49.739 The vast majority of that is field survey time 02:17:49.799 --> 02:17:52.540 along with writing the plan. 02:17:52.600 --> 02:17:54.239 And with that, I'll take any questions. 02:17:54.299 --> 02:18:00.540 Again, this is MFT gives us about $1 million average per year. 02:18:00.620 --> 02:18:02.040 So this is one of their requirements 02:18:02.120 --> 02:18:05.319 that transitions plans must be created. 02:18:05.319 --> 02:18:10.520 We must create a transition compliance team, if you will, or commission. 02:18:10.860 --> 02:18:14.200 And we also must have a grievance policy when we're done. 02:18:14.200 --> 02:18:18.200 So we'll do the inventory, create the plan, and then we'll bring a plan back 02:18:18.200 --> 02:18:22.000 to council to adopt, and then that plan will be posted on the city's website 02:18:22.000 --> 02:18:27.620 for anybody with disabilities to research, look at, create a grievance. 02:18:27.879 --> 02:18:30.579 And then we'll have a committee that will review those grievances. 02:18:30.579 --> 02:18:37.180 and I'm suggesting that we don't budget any funds for 2025 for these grievances because 02:18:37.180 --> 02:18:41.100 by the time we get this adopt we have street work going next year but the following year 02:18:41.100 --> 02:18:45.540 we will probably have to start budgeting some money for grievances to address situations 02:18:45.540 --> 02:18:48.739 that the committee may find need to be resolved. 02:18:48.739 --> 02:18:49.940 Is there a motion to adopt? 02:18:49.940 --> 02:18:50.940 So moved. 02:18:50.940 --> 02:18:51.940 Second. 02:18:51.940 --> 02:18:55.860 A motion made by Alderman Sellers, seconded by Alderman Shadle. 02:18:55.860 --> 02:18:56.860 Discussion. 02:18:56.860 --> 02:18:57.860 Alderman Sanders. 02:18:57.860 --> 02:19:07.299 Sanders. Public Works Director, Darren, while you're making these plans over there, over 02:19:07.299 --> 02:19:16.379 the winter, if the survey allows you to, while you're in the process of doing so, is it okay 02:19:16.379 --> 02:19:26.139 for council members to visit the planning stages of when you guys begin to do the drawing 02:19:26.139 --> 02:19:34.280 of the of the plan so so we have a little insight um so this is different than a construction 02:19:34.280 --> 02:19:37.979 plan so there won't be a construction plan this is more of a study and 02:19:37.979 --> 02:19:46.979 We're going to start with the construction plan. This is more of a study and evaluation. So we'll actually take robotic equipment out and do the measurements on the field, corner by corner. 02:19:46.979 --> 02:19:54.979 And so you're welcome to see all that data when it's done because it's going to turn into a giant clip down menu per corner. 02:19:54.979 --> 02:19:57.979 I can wait until you condense it. 02:19:57.979 --> 02:20:27.979 and I think I skipped it in this one but this is going to be a living document for Freeport so once it's created as we do construction work every season we'll have to update it it shouldn't take near as amount of work to do it but the GIS system itself will need to be updated as they're corrected in the dates that they're done what IDOT's looking for is for the city to come up with a 20-year transition plan for all the ramps as I've stated before that's probably not ultimately affordable but we are making great lengths 02:20:27.979 --> 02:20:29.479 with the amount of street work we've done. 02:20:29.479 --> 02:20:33.139 I believe this year alone we did, I think it was like 82 ramps. 02:20:33.139 --> 02:20:37.079 So, and I think the year before we did 76 just 02:20:37.079 --> 02:20:38.020 on the ramp project. 02:20:38.020 --> 02:20:42.420 So, we've made some great strides in short period of time 02:20:42.420 --> 02:20:46.079 and we're committed to doing the ramps as we do the streets 02:20:46.079 --> 02:20:48.279 as long as they're not technically infeasible. 02:20:48.639 --> 02:20:51.479 When we run into vaults and things like that, 02:20:51.479 --> 02:20:55.079 we just can't afford to fix a ramp at a vault area. 02:20:55.079 --> 02:20:56.899 They get really expensive fast. 02:20:57.979 --> 02:21:07.819 there's no further discussion Alderman Monroe yes mr. Steekle as you're going 02:21:07.819 --> 02:21:12.420 through this are we gonna be looking at various grants that are available you 02:21:12.420 --> 02:21:18.340 know to help because this is significant last I remember you said about $7,500 per 02:21:18.340 --> 02:21:23.139 you know rough estimate but we're gonna be looking for grants to help cover that 02:21:23.139 --> 02:21:27.100 because we have to replace all of them in the city correct yeah so as we do the 02:21:27.100 --> 02:21:35.020 Street Projects, we're incorporating the ramps into the projects and using a combination 02:21:35.020 --> 02:21:40.260 of the 1% and MFT money to replace ramps, but this will also give us the ability to 02:21:40.260 --> 02:21:45.920 do like we did with the CDBG grant and take blocks of areas that are underserved and try 02:21:45.920 --> 02:21:50.779 to get more ramps done in quadrants with that kind of money. 02:21:50.779 --> 02:21:56.020 I believe the grant that we got 76 done on was about a half a million dollars, and we 02:21:56.020 --> 02:22:26.020 when you say combination of the 1% you tell them about the 1% for our streets yes ma'am that that is part of every street project that we do in Freeport if they have ramps we have to update the ramps as part of the street project that's not something that we have a choice with the only way we can't update them is if we give ourselves a variance on them 02:22:26.020 --> 02:22:29.680 and we have to prove that it's technically not buildable. 02:22:29.680 --> 02:22:32.439 I thought we had discussion on that matter 02:22:32.439 --> 02:22:36.979 and that it was said that grant money would cover ADA ramps. 02:22:39.399 --> 02:22:41.479 I don't remember that piece. 02:22:41.479 --> 02:22:44.239 We don't have grant money to cover every ramp. 02:22:44.239 --> 02:22:47.760 We had the grant before that covered 76 of them 02:22:47.760 --> 02:22:50.879 but this year, the ramps that we did this year 02:22:50.879 --> 02:22:53.180 were part of the street program. 02:22:53.180 --> 02:23:03.180 Okay, so how much is it for the city to do it, the city crew, compared to somewhere else, someone else? 02:23:03.180 --> 02:23:10.180 I would say it's definitely cheaper for the city crews to do them if we can. 02:23:10.180 --> 02:23:12.180 What do that mean, if we can? 02:23:12.180 --> 02:23:20.180 If we have enough staff to do them. Currently we do not have enough staff to do the work we're doing and do ADA ramps. 02:23:20.180 --> 02:23:21.180 and James. 02:23:21.180 --> 02:23:25.579 And so, the RDA ramps are very time consuming and out of the construction process right 02:23:25.579 --> 02:23:28.299 now, that's one of the skills. 02:23:28.299 --> 02:23:30.340 Can we do them with help? 02:23:30.340 --> 02:23:31.340 Yes. 02:23:31.340 --> 02:23:33.539 Can we do them effectively and efficiently? 02:23:33.539 --> 02:23:34.539 No. 02:23:34.539 --> 02:23:39.659 We just don't have a dedicated concrete crew that can go around and do ramps currently. 02:23:39.659 --> 02:23:45.459 If we had the crew, what would it cost the city compared to paying someone else? 02:23:45.459 --> 02:24:04.459 I would say right now if I put a number on it probably about 4,000, 4,500 per corner compared to the probably 65 to 7,500 we're paying depends on each corner is a little bit different with how far we have to go back on sidewalks. 02:24:04.459 --> 02:24:34.459 Manager, Boyer, Alderperson, Stacy, right now the 1% does not allow us to pay wages from it and that was purposeful as I understand it in addition to that our crews do do ADA ramps from time to time however they did do some on Center Street when we did Center Street so we do do them when we need to but okay the 1% was never 02:24:34.459 --> 02:24:36.459 and 02:24:37.739 --> 02:24:39.739 John. 02:24:41.180 --> 02:24:43.180 The 1% was meant for our roads. 02:24:45.180 --> 02:24:47.180 That is why we can't hire more staff to do them less 02:24:47.180 --> 02:24:49.180 expensively. That is one reason. 02:25:00.180 --> 02:25:04.180 Any further discussion? Madam Clerk, please take the roll. 02:25:04.459 --> 02:25:21.459 Parker, Stacey, Shadle, Sanders, Sellers, Klemm, Monroe. The resolution is adopted 8-0. 02:25:21.459 --> 02:25:27.459 Item number 19 is adoption of resolution 2024-115. Could you please read this? 02:25:27.459 --> 02:25:35.059 Resolution Approving Agreement with Fehr Graham for 2025 Street Design Engineering Services 02:25:35.059 --> 02:25:36.059 Manager Boyer 02:25:36.059 --> 02:25:37.059 Thank you, Your Honor. 02:25:37.059 --> 02:25:44.819 The City of Freeport is prepping the design plans for Reconstruct for 2025 Street Program. 02:25:44.819 --> 02:25:49.299 The City plans to use the combination of funding, including IDOT Motor Fuel Tax, the 1% Street 02:25:49.299 --> 02:25:54.619 Fund and Congressman Sorensen's Water Main Funds for this year's road program. 02:25:54.619 --> 02:25:59.299 and identified streets were brought forward from the 1% layout approved by City Council 02:25:59.299 --> 02:26:00.859 in 2024. 02:26:00.859 --> 02:26:07.340 The 2025 projects include three linear miles of roadway and is estimated at a total cost 02:26:07.340 --> 02:26:10.459 of approximately $5 million in local work. 02:26:10.459 --> 02:26:17.500 Four streets need water main replacement including Carroll Avenue and that's from 1882. 02:26:17.500 --> 02:26:22.500 Blackhawk Avenue, 1954, a known poorly constructed material 02:26:25.379 --> 02:26:30.379 and Willow Avenue, 1956 and Harvey, 1925, 02:26:30.579 --> 02:26:33.239 with all the breaks or water quality history. 02:26:33.239 --> 02:26:37.260 So in general, that's what's moving forward 02:26:37.260 --> 02:26:39.180 for water main replacements. 02:26:39.180 --> 02:26:41.459 Street planning requires professional design engineering 02:26:41.459 --> 02:26:43.680 and surveying services. 02:26:43.680 --> 02:26:48.479 Fehr Graham's scope of service will include topographical study, street profiling and 02:26:48.479 --> 02:26:55.520 structure design, ADA ramp intersection design, permitting requirements to the EPA, IDOT, 02:26:55.520 --> 02:27:02.159 and PROAG standards, along with bidding solicitation and negotiation of all contracts. An allowance 02:27:02.159 --> 02:27:07.359 for geotechnical services for pavement and ground borings is provided by Fehr Graham 02:27:07.359 --> 02:27:13.559 to a third-party professional geotech agency as needed for design parameters. It is important 02:27:13.559 --> 02:27:18.559 and to the design process that Street and 88 topographical and borings are picked up 02:27:18.559 --> 02:27:23.159 before winter weather to keep the project timelines moving in an early summer project 02:27:23.159 --> 02:27:31.279 starting 2025. It is also vital to get potential utility relocations identified with NICOR 02:27:31.279 --> 02:27:37.979 and ComEd franchise partners not to slow the progress during the construction season. 02:27:37.979 --> 02:27:42.779 Staff is requesting moving forward with the contract for Graham the amount of 02:27:42.779 --> 02:27:46.139 three hundred and ninety six thousand two hundred fifty dollars so that the 02:27:46.139 --> 02:27:50.299 2025 Street Program can move forward and there's a list of the projects that are 02:27:50.299 --> 02:27:57.059 identified. Is there a motion to adopt? So moved. Second. A motion made by 02:27:57.059 --> 02:28:05.579 Alderman Seller seconded by Alderman Shadle. Discussion on the resolution. Madam 02:28:05.579 --> 02:28:09.079 Clerk, please take the roll. Simmons? 02:28:12.899 --> 02:28:27.299 Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. 02:28:27.299 --> 02:28:33.219 The resolution is adopted 8 to 0. Thank you. Item number 20 is ratification of 02:28:33.219 --> 02:28:42.219 Group Approval of a bid. Could you please read this? This is ratifying a bid opening on May 22nd, 24, Ridge Street and Westwood Avenue. 02:28:42.219 --> 02:28:53.219 Manager Boyer? During the project, the Ridge and Westwood Avenue projects, staff received three bids for Ridge Street and Westwood Avenue improvements, 02:28:53.219 --> 02:29:02.219 Helm Group or Civil. Freeport, Illinois was the lowest responsive bidder in the amount of $983,845.50. 02:29:02.219 --> 02:29:09.579 this bid was below engineering estimates the water and street project was planned in the 2024 budget 02:29:09.579 --> 02:29:16.299 and the project project funding will come from water streets and storm funds to complete the project 02:29:16.299 --> 02:29:22.059 is staff recommendation to city council move forward with the helm group bid 02:29:24.059 --> 02:29:30.379 is there a motion to approve some of second motion made by alderman seller seconded by alderman 02:29:30.379 --> 02:29:37.379 and Shadle. Discussion. Madam Clerk, please take the roll. Simmons. 02:29:37.379 --> 02:30:07.379 please take the roll. Simmons? Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Abstain. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? No. The motion passes six to one to one abstentia. Item number 21, could you read the 02:30:07.379 --> 02:30:14.779 This bid opening was on October 16th, 2024 for sewer lining. 02:30:14.779 --> 02:30:15.779 Manager Boyer. 02:30:15.779 --> 02:30:16.779 Thank you, Your Honor. 02:30:16.779 --> 02:30:21.759 The City of Freeport has nearly 130 miles of sanitary sewer in the collection system. 02:30:21.759 --> 02:30:27.459 During annual project evaluations, cure and place lining locations are identified to rehabilitate 02:30:27.459 --> 02:30:33.619 sanitary sewer piping with cracks, defects, inflow and infiltration issues, or sags in 02:30:33.619 --> 02:30:34.619 settlement. 02:30:34.619 --> 02:30:49.619 Our EPA mandatory CMOM Sewer Capacity Management Plan specifies that the Freeport addresses annual sewer rehabilitations or collection system mainline piping for environmental concerns. 02:30:49.619 --> 02:30:59.619 Sewer lining is considered an industry-accepted method for sewer main pipe rehabilitation and is more economical than open-cut excavation methods. 02:30:59.619 --> 02:31:09.619 The sewer lining is over 10 times cheaper to install, and industry standards estimate over 60 years of sustainable, useful life will basically come from the lined pipe. 02:31:09.619 --> 02:31:19.619 In October 2016, Fehr Graham and the city staff had a public bid opening for 9,509 linear feet of sanitary sewer lining. 02:31:19.619 --> 02:31:27.619 These sewer areas are identified as Oak, Chicago, Iroquois, as of a section of Dirk and Grove. 02:31:27.619 --> 02:31:57.619 The City had three reputable bidders that specialized in sewer lining, cement bids, national power rotting was the lowest responsive bidder at $382,712.24 significantly under the engineers estimates, city staff requests city council to approve the national power rotting estimate as the low responsive bidder and just FYI this is just following up our current road program we're just a little behind on this part 02:31:57.619 --> 02:32:01.379 Is there a motion to approve? 02:32:01.379 --> 02:32:02.579 So moved. 02:32:02.579 --> 02:32:03.579 Second. 02:32:03.579 --> 02:32:07.179 Motion made by Sellers, seconded by Shadle. 02:32:07.179 --> 02:32:08.179 Discussion? 02:32:08.179 --> 02:32:09.779 Alderman Sanders. 02:32:09.779 --> 02:32:10.779 Yeah. 02:32:10.779 --> 02:32:24.779 Manager Boyer, how are we doing our data gathering to determine how much lining that is necessary 02:32:24.779 --> 02:32:25.779 Coon, and others. 02:32:25.779 --> 02:32:26.779 So I can't give you a number. 02:32:26.779 --> 02:32:27.779 I'm going to go ahead and ask everybody to please stand up 02:32:27.779 --> 02:32:28.779 and come forward. 02:32:28.779 --> 02:32:29.779 Yes, sir. 02:32:29.779 --> 02:32:30.779 I have one question. 02:32:30.779 --> 02:32:31.779 I'm going to ask you, then. 02:32:31.779 --> 02:32:35.779 Well, I think it's important to have a discussion about what 02:32:35.779 --> 02:32:36.779 you do. 02:32:36.779 --> 02:32:39.779 How do you provide information to your subcommittee on 02:32:39.779 --> 02:32:44.779 how to make sure that there are no issues with this? 02:32:44.779 --> 02:32:51.779 I don't know if there's a question about that, Mr. Mayor. 02:32:51.779 --> 02:32:59.779 Byners to come in. And then on top of that, are these, is this project up for bidding? 02:32:59.779 --> 02:33:08.779 Yeah, it says up for bidding. We're looking for bidders to come in and circumvent that. 02:33:08.779 --> 02:33:17.779 Okay. And, well, I just wanted to know that because we're doing an investment aligning 02:33:17.779 --> 02:33:27.779 if we don't get the right bidders who can do a professional, efficient job at doing this kind of work. That's all I had to comment on. 02:33:27.779 --> 02:33:37.779 Just see if I can answer that question. As you know, having worked in the utility a long time ago, you know we have really good records on the material type and locations of all our sewer mains. 02:33:37.779 --> 02:33:51.279 In general, we have a large percent that's clay. The clay is, we line the clay. If it's concrete, we'll evaluate it. If it's plastic, we don't line it. Does that answer your question? 02:33:51.279 --> 02:34:02.279 Yeah, that pretty much did it. Well, can I come back? Are we doing a visual inspection? 02:34:02.279 --> 02:34:05.779 Yes, we do a camera inspection of every street that we repave. 02:34:05.779 --> 02:34:06.279 OK. 02:34:06.279 --> 02:34:09.739 So well, like on Iroquois this year, we had a, I want to say, 02:34:09.739 --> 02:34:12.239 a 200-foot cave-in on Iroquois that 02:34:12.239 --> 02:34:14.139 had to be fixed before we did the roadwork. 02:34:14.139 --> 02:34:15.259 We did that. 02:34:15.259 --> 02:34:18.819 But then we lined it, all of it, so. 02:34:18.819 --> 02:34:19.319 All right. 02:34:19.319 --> 02:34:19.819 Thank you. 02:34:22.979 --> 02:34:24.579 If there's no further discussion, 02:34:24.579 --> 02:34:27.699 end of court, please take the roll. 02:34:27.699 --> 02:34:29.899 Simmons? 02:34:29.899 --> 02:34:31.219 Aye. 02:34:31.219 --> 02:34:31.899 Parker? 02:34:31.899 --> 02:34:32.500 Aye. 02:34:32.500 --> 02:34:34.619 Stacy? 02:34:34.619 --> 02:34:35.099 Aye. 02:34:35.099 --> 02:34:44.099 Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. The motion passes 8-0. 02:34:44.099 --> 02:34:56.099 And Madam Clerk, if you could read the item number 22. Discussion and approval to establish an ordinance providing for the submission to the electors of the City of Freeport, 02:34:56.099 --> 02:35:01.179 Stevenson County, Illinois, a binding referendum question of whether to provide public funding 02:35:01.179 --> 02:35:06.859 for a 12-foot water main extension to open Bible daycare located at 3800 West Stevenson 02:35:06.859 --> 02:35:12.619 Street to be placed on the ballot at the April 1st, 2025, consolidated election. 02:35:12.619 --> 02:35:21.539 Alderman Stacy, did you want to take this? 02:35:21.539 --> 02:35:34.219 This has been all over the place with information, truths and untruths, and at this point I feel 02:35:34.219 --> 02:35:49.539 that it's only fair and just that the people have say so over this project happening or 02:35:49.539 --> 02:35:58.739 or not. 02:35:58.739 --> 02:36:26.139 If we have a million dollars to give a private organization, then I hope we can match that 02:36:26.139 --> 02:36:40.899 and our street fund. Our taxes went up one percent so that we could get streets fixed. 02:36:40.899 --> 02:36:47.699 And are you saying that we have a million dollars somewhere that we can just give for 02:36:47.699 --> 02:36:59.979 or Project that should not be our responsibility. 02:36:59.979 --> 02:37:00.979 I don't know. 02:37:00.979 --> 02:37:05.179 Do paperwork exist or if it don't exist? 02:37:05.179 --> 02:37:13.219 I guess that's neither here nor there anymore. 02:37:13.219 --> 02:37:25.979 Mayor Goetz said it all when he came and he spoke at the mic and he indicated that nothing 02:37:25.979 --> 02:37:30.539 never came to the council. 02:37:30.539 --> 02:37:33.099 Nothing hit the council floor. 02:37:33.099 --> 02:37:37.139 Nothing was addressed to the council. 02:37:37.139 --> 02:37:54.059 So if Open Bible really felt, wanted, expected the city to house this million dollar project, 02:37:54.059 --> 02:37:57.319 why didn't they come correct? 02:37:57.319 --> 02:38:00.559 Why didn't they do right by the council? 02:38:00.559 --> 02:38:02.979 We didn't have city manager then. 02:38:02.979 --> 02:38:14.659 We was full-time mayor and council and that never happened and I just don't feel that 02:38:14.659 --> 02:38:25.059 tax dollars should be taken from our constituents to fund this project and I feel that the people 02:38:25.059 --> 02:38:27.059 and 02:38:29.079 --> 02:38:31.079 John, and I'm going to talk about the 02:38:32.179 --> 02:38:34.179 issues that people of Freeport should have say so in that 02:38:35.279 --> 02:38:37.279 matter. 02:38:39.279 --> 02:38:41.279 » Okay. So there's a few things that I'd like to say on the 02:38:42.399 --> 02:38:44.399 topics that you just said. I have absolutely no idea what the 02:38:45.420 --> 02:38:47.420 untruths are. Maybe you could bring those to us so we could 02:38:48.519 --> 02:38:50.519 address whatever those might be because I don't know any of the 02:38:51.619 --> 02:38:53.619 untruths. And as far as people having a say so, that's the 02:38:53.619 --> 02:39:00.739 To hear what your constituents say and as far as giving private and a private 02:39:00.739 --> 02:39:03.939 organization a million dollars that's not true we're not handing them a 02:39:03.939 --> 02:39:07.840 million dollars we are obligated to our constituents that live within the city 02:39:07.840 --> 02:39:13.799 limits doesn't matter which side of town you live on if water is a need for you 02:39:13.799 --> 02:39:19.739 then we are obligated to say it's not our responsibility I don't believe that 02:39:19.739 --> 02:39:29.340 that's true and as far as tax dollars being taken we are working daily on 02:39:29.340 --> 02:39:34.099 trying to find funding so there's no tax dollars being taken this is no 02:39:34.099 --> 02:39:39.059 different than you know any street project out there 02:39:39.059 --> 02:39:42.260 you know any street project out there we're going to be spending over a 02:39:42.260 --> 02:39:44.420 million dollars on Carroll Street next year 02:39:44.420 --> 02:39:47.939 do you think that that should have to go to a referendum to see if the rest of 02:39:47.939 --> 02:39:53.779 the people want to do that so it the responsibility lies with 02:39:53.779 --> 02:39:58.659 the alderman to make the decisions of what's best for the whole 02:39:58.659 --> 02:40:06.979 the tax 1% tax was taken for our streets 02:40:06.979 --> 02:40:11.979 so we could do the carols, so we could do the locusts, 02:40:12.659 --> 02:40:17.100 so we could do the air course, so we could do the Dewey. 02:40:18.939 --> 02:40:22.819 We were taxed for that. 02:40:22.819 --> 02:40:27.779 This is not a community, this is a business. 02:40:27.779 --> 02:40:32.779 Actually, it's one business, 11 residents and Highland. 02:40:32.779 --> 02:40:41.459 and Highland. However, the residents are not asking for this. You went from, you 02:40:41.459 --> 02:40:52.979 went from saying Water Main for Open Bible to now West of Steveson Street. No, 02:40:52.979 --> 02:40:59.139 let's just keep it real plain and simple. It's a Water Main you all want to put in 02:40:59.139 --> 02:41:10.680 Mann, Four, Open, Bible. Not the community, not the constituents, because they're not 02:41:10.680 --> 02:41:37.680 asking for nothing, Alderman, Klemm, well that might be a question to attorney Zito. 02:41:37.680 --> 02:41:58.680 So, as far as the referendum question goes, one, let me answer the first question. Alderman, Stacy, you had asked what's the deadline for having the council adopt a resolution or ordinance in order to place a referendum question on the April 1st ballot. 02:41:58.680 --> 02:42:01.680 The deadline is January 13th, 2025. 02:42:01.680 --> 02:42:07.359 Ok, so that's the deadline that the City Council, if you guys were to want to put something 02:42:07.359 --> 02:42:11.840 on the ballot, that's when we would have to adopt the resolution or ordinance by. 02:42:11.840 --> 02:42:16.479 With regards to whether or not that referendum should be a binding referendum or an advisory 02:42:16.479 --> 02:42:22.359 referendum, the research that my office has done leads me to believe that this referendum 02:42:22.359 --> 02:42:24.639 would not be a binding referendum. 02:42:24.639 --> 02:42:28.600 It could be an advisory referendum, but it would not be a binding referendum based off 02:42:28.600 --> 02:42:33.100 for the research that we've done as to what the case law and the statutes say. 02:42:33.100 --> 02:42:37.739 So ultimately, if the council did want to put this to the people, it would just basically be 02:42:37.739 --> 02:42:42.439 to gauge the temperature of what the people want there, and then you guys would still make a decision 02:42:42.439 --> 02:42:45.879 as to whether or not to move forward with it or not there. 02:42:45.879 --> 02:42:48.039 I know several hands went up. 02:42:48.039 --> 02:42:48.879 I'll just start over here. 02:42:48.879 --> 02:42:50.379 Alderman Parker will work right around. 02:42:50.379 --> 02:42:55.680 One thing is this is something our city officials 25 years ago agreed to. 02:42:56.039 --> 02:42:57.299 The city was obligated. 02:42:57.299 --> 02:43:02.979 and the City did nothing and now all of a sudden it's come up again and my concern is regardless 02:43:02.979 --> 02:43:08.100 of what we do here, if we don't commit what we're supposed to do and take care of City 02:43:08.100 --> 02:43:13.859 and people with their water where we supply the other 20,000 people, they're going to 02:43:13.859 --> 02:43:17.899 take it to court and we're going to have a judge no matter what we decide or the referendum, 02:43:17.899 --> 02:43:23.019 a judge is going to order us to do it anyway. So I think this is, it's sad, right, we don't 02:43:23.019 --> 02:43:53.019 and 02:43:53.019 --> 02:43:59.319 and 17. And there is a lot of room for daycare. And that's all walks of life. That's all 02:43:59.319 --> 02:44:05.340 people at Freeport. This is helping families who can't find daycare elsewhere. Daycare 02:44:05.340 --> 02:44:10.579 is one of the most expensive things out there for a family, a working family, to provide 02:44:10.579 --> 02:44:18.020 support for. And it's harder and harder every day. And we've got to do the things. Look, 02:44:18.020 --> 02:44:22.939 I hate this as much as you guys do. I wish it was done. I wish it was taken care of. 02:44:22.939 --> 02:44:31.779 but it wasn't and I am disappointed that somebody's feet weren't held to the fire, excuse my connection 02:44:31.779 --> 02:44:36.699 here, sooner because this is something that should have been done and I asked a question 02:44:36.699 --> 02:44:44.459 many, many, a couple of years ago, where did all the money go over the last 30 years? And 02:44:44.459 --> 02:44:48.779 I've never gotten a good answer. Matter of fact, I'd like to see line items of where 02:44:48.779 --> 02:44:54.100 where the money was spent, but we only go back to about 2017. Before that, we can't 02:44:54.100 --> 02:45:02.059 even get accurate, clear information of where this money has been spent. And that's a problem. 02:45:02.059 --> 02:45:08.139 And now we're going back 25 years, which who knows where documents and emails or whatever 02:45:08.139 --> 02:45:15.979 may have gone. But we have to look at, you know, this is a nonprofit. Am I right? This 02:45:15.979 --> 02:45:22.939 is a non-profit, is that? Yeah, right. So, you know, we're not talking about a pro-for-profit 02:45:22.939 --> 02:45:28.659 business. We've got another one on the west side of town that needs water, but that's 02:45:28.659 --> 02:45:34.939 a business, that's a profitable, profit business. This one is not, and this one really is geared 02:45:34.939 --> 02:45:40.899 toward children zero to five years of age, you know, that kindergarten, even up to fifth 02:45:40.899 --> 02:45:45.479 grade, and, you know, they really want to have more students come out there. I don't 02:45:45.479 --> 02:46:15.479 Fowler. 02:46:15.479 --> 02:46:20.760 Or we really have to make a judgment. And quite honestly, I think if this goes to referendum 02:46:20.760 --> 02:46:25.199 or if it comes from this floor, the answer is going to be the same from the community. 02:46:25.199 --> 02:46:29.159 Let's get this done. Let's figure this out. Let's find a way to make it happen and go 02:46:29.159 --> 02:46:30.159 from there. 02:46:30.159 --> 02:46:31.159 Ms. Sellers? 02:46:31.159 --> 02:46:44.680 Oh, okay. No, I know that in the beginning I was more just trying to figure out the responsibilities 02:46:44.680 --> 02:46:52.019 of all the people that were supposed to take care of this 25 years ago and it didn't happen. 02:46:52.019 --> 02:47:01.039 But I did go to Amity, I did go to and talk to different people that I knew in the community 02:47:01.039 --> 02:47:10.079 about the situation and I do agree it is children and it is families that need to have somewhere 02:47:10.079 --> 02:47:17.680 to take their children, and I do know that there's a lot of children that are on waiting 02:47:17.680 --> 02:47:21.959 lists to get into daycares. 02:47:21.959 --> 02:47:31.760 So my first answer was, you know, what are they going to do to help us? 02:47:31.760 --> 02:47:38.739 And I still would like to know, I mean, not Amity, but Open Bible also trying to look 02:47:38.739 --> 02:47:46.340 for financing to help with the situation, and I know that we already spent the $69,000 02:47:46.340 --> 02:47:53.659 on putting the plan together, but I do know that it is something that we do need to have 02:47:53.659 --> 02:48:00.340 more daycares, and I do know talking with Ashley Harm that they would even like to build 02:48:00.340 --> 02:48:04.500 more on to Amity because they don't have the room. 02:48:04.500 --> 02:48:12.539 So my heart would feel heavy knowing that these children don't have anywhere to go to be protected 02:48:12.539 --> 02:48:14.979 and have somewhere to be. 02:48:14.979 --> 02:48:20.020 And I know a lot of people, that's what they came to me with, is where would the children 02:48:20.020 --> 02:48:21.020 go? 02:48:21.020 --> 02:48:25.819 You know, where would these families have, you know, parents that, you know, you don't 02:48:25.819 --> 02:48:29.079 have anywhere to send your kids so you can't go to work. 02:48:29.079 --> 02:48:30.739 So I do understand that. 02:48:30.739 --> 02:48:39.500 My big concern is I would also like to just see Open Bible do some type of also grant 02:48:39.500 --> 02:48:42.500 looking at to try to help us as the city. 02:48:42.500 --> 02:48:51.459 So I am in agreement with us trying to help Open Bible and the other people that live 02:48:51.459 --> 02:48:57.299 on Stevenson Street to have the water so that they can have clean, fresh water like everybody 02:48:57.299 --> 02:48:58.299 else does. 02:48:58.299 --> 02:49:04.939 I do understand the concern, so that's my point of view. 02:49:04.939 --> 02:49:06.939 Alderman Sanders? 02:49:06.939 --> 02:49:19.420 I just want to find out when does the city become liable to not-for-profit organizations. 02:49:19.420 --> 02:49:27.219 I heard the testimonies and the reasons why, but we're not social workers. 02:49:27.219 --> 02:49:35.219 We're not the kind of organization or community who's going to put something in place and then 02:49:35.219 --> 02:49:38.779 Techs, the Tech Spears. 02:49:38.779 --> 02:49:44.339 Peters, and put this burden on the taxpayers. 02:49:44.339 --> 02:49:51.819 And that's what the general conversation is considering without looking at the burden that 02:49:51.819 --> 02:49:58.059 the taxpayers have to endure when all of these things try to take place. 02:49:58.059 --> 02:50:08.699 Now I can understand why the referendum was proposed because there's been a lot of negative 02:50:08.699 --> 02:50:15.139 understanding about how we should go about something that the taxpayers are not liable 02:50:15.139 --> 02:50:23.939 for and we're trying to dress it up as if though we don't know about the past 25 somewhat 02:50:23.939 --> 02:50:33.219 odd years that the city fire marshals have been put on notice to validate this place 02:50:33.219 --> 02:50:40.219 because they had been in violation. That's the whole purpose of us having this conversation. 02:50:41.139 --> 02:50:48.139 If we're going to allow one organization to receive that kind of money for service rendered 02:50:52.139 --> 02:50:57.299 for a non-for-profit organization, even though I understand it's for the sake of the children 02:50:57.299 --> 02:51:06.279 and whatever the case may be. But everybody in the city don't have the same opinion as 02:51:06.279 --> 02:51:13.099 our council members does. And so the thing about it is we're going to exclude the opinions 02:51:13.099 --> 02:51:21.619 and the thoughts of the people, the constituents of the city, and then put ourself in a religious 02:51:21.619 --> 02:51:37.979 for all of the ones that are not part of non-for-profit, the ones that are not part of churches, one 02:51:37.979 --> 02:51:44.099 does not believe in the things that these types of organizations are doing, we're putting 02:51:44.099 --> 02:51:54.179 them in a situation making them liable to spend their tax dollars on a program that they're 02:51:54.179 --> 02:52:03.059 not in tune with. So, my thing is, if it's going to happen for one non-for-profit organization 02:52:03.059 --> 02:52:10.699 and other non-for-profit organizations want you to address their problems and issues in 02:52:10.699 --> 02:52:15.699 whatever the case is, are we going to be committed 02:52:15.999 --> 02:52:19.059 to do that for these particular non-for-profit organization 02:52:19.059 --> 02:52:21.459 with taxpayers' dollars? 02:52:21.459 --> 02:52:24.379 And that's where I draw the line at 02:52:24.379 --> 02:52:28.299 because the city, from what I understood 02:52:28.299 --> 02:52:32.139 all the time that I've asked for support, 02:52:32.139 --> 02:52:36.019 I was told the city does not support 02:52:36.019 --> 02:52:44.019 Not-For-Profit Organization or any organization when it comes to funding for some entity. 02:52:44.019 --> 02:52:51.939 Now, this is what I was told, and when I think about this, I'm saying to myself, well, I 02:52:51.939 --> 02:52:57.059 wanted to make an impact within the city, but the funding does not allow me to do that 02:52:57.059 --> 02:53:00.619 when I ask for donations from the city itself. 02:53:00.619 --> 02:53:12.619 I can't even get a donation from the city to make an impact with all of the taxpayers who want to be a part of an event to make a difference within the city of Freeport. 02:53:12.619 --> 02:53:24.619 Well, I was told, no, that cannot happen. Well, here we are again, someone coming to the podium asking for this kind of consideration. 02:53:24.619 --> 02:53:35.379 and the first thing I'd like to know is, are we going to talk about all of the violations for years that this one particular organization had been involved in? 02:53:35.379 --> 02:53:50.899 We never got around to any of those kinds of things and then for someone to present to the council as if though there's a paper trail that has been involved for I don't know how long, 02:53:50.899 --> 02:54:20.899 what we have not been introduced to these kinds of things there's no introduction to the paper trail of the liabilities first of all being discussed with the council the council has not discussed this matter fully and there's nothing to document it so my thing is which direction are we going with this because you can't do you can't do for one and can't do for the others 02:54:20.899 --> 02:54:27.899 and you can't take taxpayer's dollars to take and use it for non-for-profit organizations. 02:54:28.499 --> 02:54:34.319 And I was told that you can't do that. And I'm sitting right here today wondering why 02:54:34.319 --> 02:54:41.319 we even have in this discussion. I would like for somebody to reverberate the fact that 02:54:43.699 --> 02:54:50.339 I couldn't do it for Mr. Sanders, why am I doing it for the Open Bible School? You know, 02:54:50.339 --> 02:54:56.939 if that is the case then we need to look at this thing a little bit closer because it bothers 02:54:56.939 --> 02:55:05.359 me and disturbs me if we decide or everybody is trying to voice their opinion about it 02:55:05.359 --> 02:55:09.539 and be swayed by the council to push this thing through because we're talking about 02:55:09.539 --> 02:55:17.499 over a million dollars of taxpayers' dollars and we cannot look our constituents in the 02:55:17.499 --> 02:55:23.339 and I and asked them, was that okay? Did you, how you feel about that? And that's the reason 02:55:23.339 --> 02:55:30.779 why the referendum was proposed to give the people the majority to look at the situation 02:55:30.779 --> 02:55:36.299 here and hear the thing out because everybody in the city does not see the views and the 02:55:36.299 --> 02:55:39.939 opinions of everybody in the council. That's, that's... 02:55:39.939 --> 02:55:45.579 Okay, so I'm going to try to answer what I think you're asking. So we cannot and will 02:55:45.579 --> 02:55:49.059 will not show favoritism towards one entity. We will treat 02:55:49.059 --> 02:55:54.819 every single one alike when every constituent, every existing 02:55:54.819 --> 02:55:57.979 business, however you want to look at that, is responsible for 02:55:57.979 --> 02:56:05.019 taking the line to the water main and then they are responsible 02:56:05.019 --> 02:56:08.339 in hooking that up. It is no different. So that is what they 02:56:08.339 --> 02:56:11.779 would be responsible for. So we are not treating them 02:56:11.779 --> 02:56:13.739 differently. We are not handing them a million dollars. 02:56:13.739 --> 02:56:14.739 and others. 02:56:14.739 --> 02:56:15.739 Yeah, that's what we're doing. 02:56:15.739 --> 02:56:16.739 No, we're not. 02:56:16.739 --> 02:56:17.939 Your argument fails on that point. 02:56:17.939 --> 02:56:19.819 No, we're not handing them a million dollars. 02:56:19.819 --> 02:56:23.339 We are obligated to all constituents to provide water. 02:56:23.339 --> 02:56:27.819 Because the taxpayers have not had a say so in the matter. 02:56:27.819 --> 02:56:32.459 Well, their say so comes to you standing for whatever they have. 02:56:32.459 --> 02:56:38.699 And we're arguing, we're having this argument for the constituents of the City of Freeport 02:56:38.699 --> 02:56:43.699 So they know that we're in correspondence with the laws of this city 02:56:43.699 --> 02:56:51.699 and how we conduct ourselves when it comes to doing one for one and one for the other, differently for the others. 02:56:51.699 --> 02:56:54.699 Yeah, this is what the argument is. 02:56:54.699 --> 02:57:00.699 And if we're saying that, well, it's okay for us to just chunk out a million dollars to run a... 02:57:00.699 --> 02:57:04.699 Well, we're not. So, Darren, you want to say something? 02:57:04.699 --> 02:57:07.699 It's my turn, yes. 02:57:07.699 --> 02:57:17.619 Well, I just want to bring this back to what I think is a common grounder clarification. 02:57:17.619 --> 02:57:24.299 Two years ago, we replaced all the water main on Laurel Street from Park up to Lincoln Douglas 02:57:24.299 --> 02:57:25.299 School. 02:57:25.299 --> 02:57:26.459 It was bad. 02:57:26.459 --> 02:57:29.179 And that project was a million dollars. 02:57:29.179 --> 02:57:32.159 And it was defective water main that was aged. 02:57:32.159 --> 02:57:34.939 And so nobody had a problem with that project. 02:57:34.939 --> 02:57:37.059 That's feeding water within our... 02:58:07.059 --> 02:58:12.339 We've been doing this for the last 7 years in town. 02:58:12.339 --> 02:58:16.459 Next year we're going to replace more water main this defective, Black Hawk Street. 02:58:16.459 --> 02:58:18.279 We're going to replace Carroll Street. 02:58:18.279 --> 02:58:20.539 We're going to replace Willow. 02:58:20.539 --> 02:58:23.339 We've done some water main on Dewey Street. 02:58:23.339 --> 02:58:31.139 It's our responsibility as a community to provide the public water service to our constituents. 02:58:31.139 --> 02:58:33.839 We are not just supplying a line to Open Bible. 02:58:33.839 --> 02:58:40.079 They happened to be a result no different than Lincoln Douglas School being able to have the water supply. 02:58:40.079 --> 02:58:43.759 If the main wasn't there, they wouldn't have been able to have it either. 02:58:43.759 --> 02:58:48.399 So, I don't, it doesn't bother me either way. 02:58:48.399 --> 02:58:50.239 I'm just throwing facts out there. 02:58:50.239 --> 02:58:56.919 The facts are that we build mains throughout town within the city limits to provide service in the city limits. 02:58:56.919 --> 02:59:01.839 If a business went out next to Open Bible, we would not let them drill a well. 02:59:01.839 --> 02:59:03.239 It's against our code. 02:59:03.239 --> 02:59:05.159 So what will we do at that point? 02:59:05.159 --> 02:59:09.039 We still have to provide the water main on the street 02:59:09.039 --> 02:59:11.599 or the sewer main to get to those locations 02:59:11.599 --> 02:59:13.719 and they are within the city limits. 02:59:13.719 --> 02:59:16.559 So while this is a bad pill to swallow, 02:59:16.559 --> 02:59:19.439 this is the point of doing main replacement all over town. 02:59:19.439 --> 02:59:21.999 It's an investment, it's a costly investment 02:59:21.999 --> 02:59:24.759 and it takes lots of time to get back. 02:59:24.759 --> 02:59:27.599 That investment is no different if it's on Carroll Street, 02:59:27.599 --> 02:59:30.599 if it's on Laurel Street, if it's on Stevenson Street, 02:59:30.599 --> 02:59:31.799 or any other street in town. 02:59:31.799 --> 02:59:33.919 it's the same dollar of investment. 02:59:35.559 --> 02:59:38.299 We're gonna move on to Alderman Shadle, it's his turn. 02:59:38.299 --> 02:59:39.139 Thank you. 02:59:39.139 --> 03:00:09.139 Shadle. It's his turn. Thank you. I had a question. I've been waiting patiently, Mr. Sanders. I'm going to ask you to just sit back for a minute. That might be true, but I had a follow-up. Okay, Alderman Shadle has the floor. Well, what's going to happen to my follow-up? It's Alderman Shadle's floor. First off, I have talked to one of the homeowners out there that will get 03:00:09.139 --> 03:00:17.500 and others from this and he was adamant that he would be the first one to hook up. 03:00:17.500 --> 03:00:28.500 Looking back 25 years, that church did absolutely everything that the City of Freeport asked 03:00:28.500 --> 03:00:32.739 them to do to get their building permit. 03:00:32.739 --> 03:00:36.459 They were told if they were going to build that church, they had to put in a sprinkler 03:00:36.459 --> 03:00:43.459 Taylor, Joshua, DeFrancisco, Chip, John, I can't remember the name, but it was in the 03:00:43.779 --> 03:00:50.779 20s and 30s when they started to put in the water system, and they wrote the check. Have 03:00:50.819 --> 03:00:57.819 no idea for a fact what money they spent, but I'm guessing probably 20, $30,000 that 03:00:58.899 --> 03:01:05.899 they put out. And we can try to put blame on who said what, but at the end of the day, 03:01:06.459 --> 03:01:14.420 Simple, they not only put it in, they put the run to the right away, it's ready for 03:01:14.420 --> 03:01:23.420 the city to hook up. They did absolutely everything they were asked to do. Somehow you're thinking 03:01:23.420 --> 03:01:31.180 that they should have been knocking at our door, maybe they should have. But at the end 03:01:31.180 --> 03:01:32.180 and others. 03:01:32.180 --> 03:01:38.340 At the end of the day, somebody here told them that they were going to get water and they 03:01:38.340 --> 03:01:44.500 didn't get it and nobody here took care of that. 03:01:44.500 --> 03:01:52.819 What it all comes down to is we're sitting here and it's up to us. 03:01:52.819 --> 03:02:00.299 It should have been taken care of 25, 20, 15, 10, it should have been taken care of, 03:02:00.299 --> 03:02:12.739 but it wasn't and here we are and we have a responsibility and I feel we have an obligation 03:02:12.739 --> 03:02:17.340 and we need to get it done. 03:02:17.340 --> 03:02:34.260 Darin, every example you gave was replacement defected water mains. 03:02:34.260 --> 03:02:37.420 This is not a replacement. 03:02:37.420 --> 03:02:49.500 And last week, you made a comment that was unfair. 03:02:49.500 --> 03:02:59.539 If it was on the other side of town, would we even be having this conversation? 03:02:59.539 --> 03:03:01.539 and others. 03:03:01.539 --> 03:03:14.099 Alderman Parker, not a city official, community development person, not someone that had authority 03:03:14.099 --> 03:03:27.099 to even say or shake hands, again, why didn't they bring it to the council? 03:03:27.099 --> 03:03:32.139 If they were going to do right by the city and expected the city to do right by them, 03:03:32.139 --> 03:03:38.039 why didn't they come forward and ask the city? 03:03:38.039 --> 03:03:41.340 Now all you hear about, what about the kids? 03:03:41.340 --> 03:03:43.379 What about the kids? 03:03:43.379 --> 03:03:47.899 What about the kids 25 years ago? 03:03:47.899 --> 03:03:53.739 I've worked with kids at the Freeport School District for 20 years, yeah! 03:03:53.739 --> 03:03:54.739 What about the kids? 03:03:54.739 --> 03:04:01.019 Williams. Why are they even still out there? Why haven't they made arrangements with ACWIN 03:04:01.019 --> 03:04:08.019 or somewhere to get the kids out there and still give them what they need? They're still 03:04:10.299 --> 03:04:17.299 in danger. There was a letter that was rejecting the 03:04:24.739 --> 03:04:34.500 This is happening by Blackburn, who came and had his say last week, but he didn't talk 03:04:34.500 --> 03:04:43.500 about that, he didn't talk about him rejecting it, but he did. 03:04:43.500 --> 03:05:09.299 There's a church on Pleasant and Galena and Amity was supposed to move in that church and 03:05:09.299 --> 03:05:33.260 and open up a daycare. However, all that was denied because the water sprinkler isn't compliant. 03:05:33.260 --> 03:05:46.619 So watch what you're saying. What you do for one, are you willing to do for another? 03:05:46.619 --> 03:05:50.500 You do know that we aren't responsible to put in a sprinkler, right? 03:05:50.500 --> 03:06:03.059 Alderman Getz came here and he spoke and he said there is no legal binding contract, nothing 03:06:03.059 --> 03:06:18.459 that holds the city responsible. Blackburn said, oh, I remember the handshake. Okay, 03:06:18.459 --> 03:06:32.099 you remember the handshake. A handshake don't make the city responsible. And what is the 03:06:32.099 --> 03:06:39.099 The fear in giving the constituents the say-so. 03:06:39.099 --> 03:06:42.099 This is their tax dollars. 03:07:02.099 --> 03:07:13.859 I guess I'd like to say I understand, but I think everybody that came tonight was for 03:07:13.859 --> 03:07:22.899 helping open Bible and we didn't have anyone that came to say no, so I guess that's me. 03:07:22.899 --> 03:07:34.439 I guess I look for if the people have something to say, I mean just like we do or the people 03:07:34.439 --> 03:07:39.799 that are out there now, I think they should have came and said something, you know, that 03:07:39.799 --> 03:07:47.340 it's not right or we shouldn't do it. But like I said, my second thought after talking 03:07:47.340 --> 03:07:55.619 with a lot of people, you know, they understood the process. So I don't see anyone here that 03:07:55.619 --> 03:08:05.219 is out in the audience or came or said anything that are saying no. You know, I guess if I 03:08:05.219 --> 03:08:12.000 heard some people saying, you know, no to the project, I guess I would have a different 03:08:12.000 --> 03:08:19.799 take on it, but I don't see anyone that has come to say no. So I guess that's what I would 03:08:19.799 --> 03:08:25.119 like to, you know, I would like to have some people say that, you know, that think it's 03:08:25.119 --> 03:08:31.559 wrong or think we shouldn't do it. So I haven't, all the people that I've talked to and made 03:08:31.559 --> 03:08:39.439 conversation with, as long as they can make the connection and we can make our connection, 03:08:39.439 --> 03:08:44.579 and I guess I know it's 25 years and I hate it because it probably would have been way 03:08:44.579 --> 03:08:53.279 cheaper 25 years ago, but hey, this is where we're at now and I just. 03:08:53.279 --> 03:08:54.279 Alderman Klemm. 03:08:54.279 --> 03:09:21.319 that we do or do not okay so is there a second to that okay is that 03:09:24.279 --> 03:09:31.279 So the agenda item was to discuss and approve to establish an ordinance providing the submission. 03:09:31.279 --> 03:09:36.279 So this was really just about giving direction, right? 03:09:36.279 --> 03:09:39.279 This is actually not to put it on the... 03:09:39.279 --> 03:09:45.079 and not to put it on the, to put it on, authorize to put it on the, the, the ballot. 03:09:45.079 --> 03:09:50.079 Well, because we don't even have the, the ordinance or resolution drafted. 03:09:50.079 --> 03:09:51.079 Right? 03:09:51.079 --> 03:09:59.239 So, this would now, right, so, though I would frame it in the same way that it's on the 03:09:59.239 --> 03:10:00.239 agenda. 03:10:00.239 --> 03:10:06.039 So, I would frame it in the positive, the way that Alderman Stacy had it, so if she 03:10:06.039 --> 03:10:09.879 She wanted to make the motion to put it to a vote, and then if you were in favor of it, 03:10:09.879 --> 03:10:10.879 you would vote yes. 03:10:10.879 --> 03:10:14.879 If you were not in favor of having it go to refer, then you would vote no. 03:10:14.879 --> 03:10:17.959 So it's basically the same thing, just different wording. 03:10:17.959 --> 03:10:18.959 Correct. 03:10:18.959 --> 03:10:21.759 You always want to phrase in the positive. 03:10:21.759 --> 03:10:25.239 So how do we handle this with the motion that's on the table with the second? 03:10:25.239 --> 03:10:28.079 I heard Alderman Klemm make the motion. 03:10:28.079 --> 03:10:29.799 Yeah, and Alderman Parker seconded it. 03:10:29.799 --> 03:10:30.799 Oh. 03:10:30.799 --> 03:10:31.799 So it's basically the same thing. 03:10:31.799 --> 03:10:36.919 Just a twist in the wording. 03:10:36.919 --> 03:10:43.559 I guess Alderman Klemm, would you have any objection to phrasing your motion in the affirmative? 03:10:43.559 --> 03:10:45.559 That's the opposite of what he's asking. 03:10:45.559 --> 03:10:48.559 He wants it to know. 03:10:48.559 --> 03:10:49.559 Okay. 03:10:49.559 --> 03:10:50.559 Well, that's fine. 03:10:50.559 --> 03:10:54.519 I mean, it's just a best practice to frame in the positive, so you don't, it's not a 03:10:54.519 --> 03:10:55.519 rule. 03:10:55.519 --> 03:11:08.199 right yeah right I get I get what you're where you're going with it so do you 03:11:08.199 --> 03:11:11.599 want to keep your motion and it's just voted on in an opposite thought I mean 03:11:11.599 --> 03:11:16.039 there's nothing it's not like it's voting on an ordinance it's just it 03:11:16.039 --> 03:11:18.479 basically is, are we moving this forward or are we not? 03:11:18.479 --> 03:11:22.479 Putting it on an agenda, I mean, we're putting it up for a voter. 03:11:22.479 --> 03:11:25.479 Not actually against that, I'm just saying it's wrong. 03:11:25.479 --> 03:11:26.479 Correct. 03:11:26.479 --> 03:11:35.479 If she wants to make a motion to move it forward, fine, but let's go ahead and get it over with. 03:11:35.479 --> 03:11:44.039 Alderman Stacy, are you willing to make your motion to have this placed on an agenda, to 03:11:44.039 --> 03:11:48.039 I would like to have a resolution placed on the agenda to put this to the vote of the people. 03:11:48.039 --> 03:11:52.039 I would like to make a motion. 03:11:52.039 --> 03:11:56.039 Alright, so Alderman Klemm, Alderman Stacey is willing to make the motion. 03:11:56.039 --> 03:12:00.039 So are you withdrawing your motion then? 03:12:00.039 --> 03:12:04.039 Okay, Alderman Parker, are you going to withdraw your second? 03:12:04.039 --> 03:12:08.039 Alright, so Alderman Stacey, if I understand right, you're making a motion 03:12:08.039 --> 03:12:12.039 to instruct staff to prepare a resolution or ordinance 03:12:12.039 --> 03:12:18.359 to have the question of whether or not to extend the water main place on the 03:12:18.359 --> 03:12:27.919 ballot at the April 1st election, correct? Is there a second? Second. All right, we 03:12:27.919 --> 03:12:35.079 have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All right, let's put it to a 03:12:35.079 --> 03:12:59.579 Parker, Stacey, Shadle, Sanders, Sellers, Klemm, Monroe. 03:12:59.579 --> 03:13:03.579 The motion fails 2 to 6. 03:13:03.579 --> 03:13:07.939 Move on to Item Number 23, which is Reports of Department Heads, Finance. 03:13:07.939 --> 03:13:09.579 Nothing, Your Honor. 03:13:09.579 --> 03:13:10.579 Thank you. 03:13:10.579 --> 03:13:11.579 Community Development. 03:13:11.579 --> 03:13:12.579 Nothing tonight, Madam Mayor. 03:13:12.579 --> 03:13:13.579 Thank you. 03:13:13.579 --> 03:13:14.579 Public Works. 03:13:14.579 --> 03:13:20.139 I'd just like to tell you that at the end of the season here, we will have paved 7.5 miles 03:13:20.139 --> 03:13:22.539 of roads this year. 03:13:22.539 --> 03:13:26.979 Hydrant flushing started today, will last about three weeks, and leaf pickup starts 03:13:26.979 --> 03:13:29.299 on November 1st. 03:13:29.299 --> 03:13:30.299 Thank you. 03:13:30.299 --> 03:13:31.299 Fire. 03:13:31.299 --> 03:13:32.299 Nothing this evening. 03:13:32.299 --> 03:13:33.299 Thank you. 03:13:33.299 --> 03:13:40.379 Nothing from the police madam mayor. Thank you library nothing tonight, and I'm guessing communication. It doesn't have anything IT 03:13:42.779 --> 03:13:50.699 We move on to city managers report nothing to you nothing tonight your honor, and I have nothing to report so we'll move on to 03:13:51.779 --> 03:13:53.779 Alderman Simmons 03:13:54.819 --> 03:13:56.819 Alderman Parker nothing 03:13:56.819 --> 03:14:12.819 Alderman Stacy? No. Alderman Shadle? Nothing. Alderman Sanders is not at his desk. Alderman Sellers? No. Alderman Klemm? No. Alderman Monroe? Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm good. 03:14:12.819 --> 03:14:23.819 We'll go on to item number 27, which is public comment. Tommy? Say something positive, Tommy. 03:14:23.819 --> 03:14:39.719 I don't know what happened there. I hear there was an issue with some some of their equipment, so hopefully soon. 03:14:39.719 --> 03:14:44.719 I think Jodi Dickman knows the update. 03:14:44.719 --> 03:14:48.719 I know everything Tommy. 03:14:48.719 --> 03:14:52.719 Is there any other public comments this evening? 03:14:52.719 --> 03:14:58.779 and we will move on to adjournment. Is there such a motion? So moved. All those in 03:14:58.779 --> 03:15:18.239 favor? Simmons? Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Is absent. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? He might be absent too. Monroe? Aye. Thank you.