WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.000 of the whole Finance Committee of the whole meeting to order. Madam Clerk, could you take the roll? 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:17.000 Mayor Miller? Here. Alderpersons, Klemm? Here. Johnson? Here. Simmons is absent. Parker? Here. 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:27.000 Stacy is absent. Shadle? Here. Sanders is absent. And Sellers? Here. We have a quorum, Mr. Chair. 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.000 Thank you. If you could join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:54.000 Thank you, and we're down to item four being approval of the agenda if I could get a motion. 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:55.000 So moved. 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:56.000 Second. 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:05.500 Motion by Sellers, second by Parker. All in favor? I make a comment on it if I 00:01:05.500 --> 00:01:11.480 could. Yes. Just a highlight for people we talked about whether to move it around 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:17.859 or whether or not in number nine there's motion there to go to possibly more 00:01:17.859 --> 00:01:22.659 minutes for discussion but that's for discussion on the budget items that 00:01:22.659 --> 00:01:52.579 We need approval of the minutes from October 28th, 2024 and November 12th, 2024. 00:01:52.579 --> 00:02:02.900 Motion by Klemm. Second by Sellers. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carried. And we're 00:02:02.900 --> 00:02:11.099 down to public comments on agenda items. No one was signed in. No one signed in. We'll 00:02:11.099 --> 00:02:20.219 move on to item seven. Discussion of the following general fund budgets by City Manager Boyer 00:02:20.219 --> 00:02:32.620 and Director Richter. All right, good evening everyone. I'd like to start out with our 00:02:32.620 --> 00:02:39.180 proposed schedule for the budget coming up. So in general, this is everything 00:02:39.180 --> 00:02:42.900 beyond today is still subject to change, but this is pretty much what we have 00:02:42.900 --> 00:02:47.099 nailed down. So today we're going to discuss the City Council budget, 00:02:47.099 --> 00:03:17.099 and I, and I'm the Chief of Staff for the Public Communication Budget and you can see them there under the 9-8 section there. Then on 9-15 we'll be talking about General Fund Police Department, Equipment Fund for Police, Drug Forfeiture, and then Fire Department Budget, Fire Public Safety Fund Budget, and Fire Improvement, and we're trying to combine like categories this year, so we're not jumping all over the place. So if it's police, we're trying to have it all at one time. If it's fire, it's all at one time. Same thing with where you see the TIFs and the 00:03:17.099 --> 00:03:47.099 Burchard, Meadows, Project Fund Budget, Downtown Loan Budget. These all follow a certain, I don't know, order. So anyway, then on 10-6, we'll be going over revenues, government building budgets, cemetery care fund, and so on. So generally speaking, if you have any questions on this, it should be included with your council packet. But if you need an extra copy, let me know. We can make sure that happens. Michelle can make sure they're printed out for you if you don't have one. Just bear that in mind, this is kind of 00:03:47.099 --> 00:03:49.099 and 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:51.099 the rest of the 00:03:51.099 --> 00:03:52.099 community. 00:03:52.099 --> 00:03:53.099 We're going to be 00:03:53.099 --> 00:03:54.099 doing the 00:03:54.099 --> 00:03:55.099 schedule. 00:03:55.099 --> 00:03:59.099 So October 14th, we'll be going through public works, the street budget, capital equipment 00:03:59.099 --> 00:04:04.099 fund, airport, cemetery, forestry, animal control, traffic engineering, street lights, 00:04:04.099 --> 00:04:06.099 motor field tax and street improvement fund. 00:04:06.099 --> 00:04:10.099 So those are all kind of grouped together in a light category. 00:04:10.099 --> 00:04:15.099 Then on the 20th, October 20th, we'll go over utilities. 00:04:15.099 --> 00:04:21.839 New, Robert, Jim, Jodi, and 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:24.500 John, Josh, Joe, and 00:04:24.500 --> 00:04:25.500 Tony. 00:04:25.500 --> 00:04:32.420 We will have a meeting on October 3rd, the fire pension, the police pension, the library 00:04:32.420 --> 00:04:35.420 budget, the tax levy, and the abatement. 00:04:35.420 --> 00:04:39.399 And then, again, at that time, notice of public hearing. 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:44.459 So, we will have essentially the last one of the last meetings here would be on November 00:04:44.459 --> 00:04:48.419 since we began the presentation of the 2026 budget. 00:04:48.419 --> 00:04:51.579 So I don't believe there's none of this, oh, there we go. 00:04:53.139 --> 00:04:56.819 We'll also have a public hearing on November 17th 00:04:56.819 --> 00:04:59.500 and then the council meeting on the 17th. 00:04:59.500 --> 00:05:04.500 We will approve the 2026 appropriations budget, 00:05:05.019 --> 00:05:06.299 capital improvement plan. 00:05:06.299 --> 00:05:07.939 We'll have the first reading of the tax levy 00:05:07.939 --> 00:05:09.500 and the tax abatements. 00:05:09.500 --> 00:05:12.819 December 1st, it'll be the second reading of the budget, 00:05:12.819 --> 00:05:21.219 and I have the second reading for tax levy and second reading for tax abatements and the 2025 portion or reappropriation. 00:05:21.219 --> 00:05:28.659 So just to follow up, we are making, we're essentially going to be making some changes to the 2025 budget, 00:05:28.659 --> 00:05:33.219 basically looking at what reality worked out to what we had budgeted. 00:05:33.219 --> 00:05:39.779 We'll make those adjustments and we'll bring them to you for approval on the first and then final reading on the 15th. 00:05:39.780 --> 00:05:45.540 So that kind of takes us through the budget process. Does anybody have any questions on how we're gonna go about this? 00:05:45.540 --> 00:05:50.860 I know I've gone kind of fast, but we've all been through it before for the most part. I think, Linda, you sat through several of these before. 00:05:52.660 --> 00:05:55.940 If there's any question on the process, this would be a good time. 00:06:00.020 --> 00:06:02.020 Don't be bashful. 00:06:03.900 --> 00:06:05.900 Okay. All right, with that, 00:06:05.900 --> 00:06:28.900 We'll go ahead and get started with the City Council budget. So there are no, this is the same budget as we had for last year, essentially covers all of the elected officials, although there's a small bump on elected officials from the previous year, those have been reflected here. 00:06:28.900 --> 00:06:34.420 Miller, obviously all the wage withholdings, and then education, training, and travel, 00:06:34.420 --> 00:06:40.580 that'll stay at $2,000, and then supplies and other, so pretty much the same as last 00:06:40.580 --> 00:06:41.580 year. 00:06:41.580 --> 00:06:45.700 If you could go to the next one, thank you. 00:06:45.700 --> 00:06:53.780 Liquor Commissions and Board of Police and Fire, so essentially no changes to the stipends, 00:06:53.780 --> 00:07:01.340 also a recategorization of the education and training to medical services to more accurately 00:07:01.340 --> 00:07:07.340 describe the expenses. So when we hire new police and fire, we have some onboarding examinations 00:07:07.340 --> 00:07:12.840 and things that we do. We've reclassified them in this budget so that it'd be more reflected 00:07:12.840 --> 00:07:22.700 to reality here. Any questions on Liquor Commission, Board of Fire and Police? Aaron, is there 00:07:22.699 --> 00:07:27.699 Do you have a reason you're sitting back there? Are you hiding back there? 00:07:32.699 --> 00:07:35.699 Gotcha. Thank you. 00:07:35.699 --> 00:07:51.699 So this is Department 113. This is the city clerk. So this includes one half of a full time admin person. So Dovie has requested some additional help to get minutes, a lot of backlog work that needs to be done, not time critical. 00:07:51.699 --> 00:08:21.699 not time critical but needs to be done. So a halftime support person is included and it will be shared with the finance and HR department. So this will essentially one person portioned out into three different departments. Also we had a significant increase in medical insurance this year and we're working with our provider so we might be able to reduce it later as you can see there it went from eleven thousand, I'm sorry, sixteen 00:08:21.699 --> 00:08:28.219 I'm sorry, $17,000 to $25,000. We are working with the insurance company now to go through 00:08:28.219 --> 00:08:33.139 the process of reviewing that. Other than that, there are no major changes to the City 00:08:33.139 --> 00:08:40.819 Clerk's budget. Any questions on that? I guess just one. So when will this new person 00:08:40.819 --> 00:08:45.559 come in? Well, we're budgeting now. I would say that we'd probably hire somebody maybe 00:08:45.560 --> 00:08:55.760 in the spring what do you think Michelle yeah any other questions on basically the 00:08:55.760 --> 00:09:00.680 spring so we're looking at a part-time personal work in several departments we'd 00:09:00.680 --> 00:09:06.600 be looking to hire them in the spring 26 okay any other questions on City Clerk 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:12.880 all right this is the City Manager mayor budget so not many changes here it 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:17.759 includes City Manager, Mayor, and Administrative Assistant. So those are the 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:23.519 wages that are included in this one. And there are no major changes. There are, I 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:29.159 go and attend several training and educational events and so does the Mayor. 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:35.039 So those are included as well. Small increase from last year, but overall 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:43.240 All of things are remaining flat in this, in 121, City Manager budget. 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:44.439 Any questions on this? 00:09:44.439 --> 00:09:50.259 Yeah, the only thing I'm noticing again is the health insurance line item is consistently 00:09:50.259 --> 00:09:52.399 going up on every page of this. 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:53.399 Yes. 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:58.360 But there are social security expenses going slightly up. 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.039 The IMRF is slightly up. 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:27.039 The IMRF is slightly up, which is tied to wages, and I'm seeing that consistently on the pages as I went through this, and it's, if you're looking at the bottom line that everything's, the totals are going up for each department, it's, the vast majority of it is tied to that health insurance and wage increase. 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:34.240 Right, what's underlying a lot of that is I mean, I would say the our insurance carriers looking at our risk 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:39.079 We had a number of claims several like two or three years ago 00:10:39.079 --> 00:10:44.919 We had quite a few claims and they're the rates are kind of mirroring those claims 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:50.879 However, we've been doing much better on that and hopefully within another year or two. Those will be dropping off. So 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:57.159 we might see a essentially why I'm saying that is we may see in future years or 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:05.959 27 28 we may see that either flat level or dip slightly and Michelle please 00:11:05.959 --> 00:11:10.839 back me up if you feel like I mean did you have anything you wanted to add on 00:11:10.839 --> 00:11:16.559 that just on the medical insurance medical insurance rates are just going 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:17.559 and so on. 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:18.559 And I think it's kind of crazy. 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:23.399 You know, the GLP ones, am I saying that right, and different things that are out there. 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:28.159 The city was very fortunate in past years to have pretty small renewals, and I think 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:29.919 it's all, it's kind of catching up with us. 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:37.480 I mean, we were getting renewals, gosh, in the last four years of, you know, three, four 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:44.240 percent at the most, and this year it's just kind of crazy. 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:49.519 So like Manager Boyer said, we are working with our medical insurance provider to see 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.299 what we can do about that. 00:11:51.299 --> 00:11:54.299 We have a January 1 renewal. 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:55.299 Thank you. 00:11:55.299 --> 00:11:59.319 Okay, any other questions on City Manager, Mayor, Budget? 00:11:59.319 --> 00:12:00.319 Okay. 00:12:00.319 --> 00:12:05.099 If you'll go on then, we've got Communications Department. 00:12:05.099 --> 00:12:12.120 So this only encompasses the Director, currently Wayne. 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:19.860 So you'll notice as we go through printing for the monthly newsletter has gone up a bit, 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:24.439 but that's what the $35,000 there is for printing. 00:12:24.439 --> 00:12:30.360 Also increased to support the new citizens' engagement activities, supplies and fair booth 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:31.919 recruitment items. 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:39.000 These are there to give us the tools we need for community outreach at events. 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:45.360 Other than that, status quo for the most part, outlying the insurance increases and a few 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:49.199 inflation things tied to inflation. 00:12:49.199 --> 00:12:51.639 Any questions on the community development budget? 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:52.639 Communications. 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:57.240 I'm sorry, did I say communications budget? 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:58.439 My fault there. 00:12:58.439 --> 00:13:03.079 Thank you for the correction. 00:13:03.079 --> 00:13:05.519 Good catch over there, Brian. 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:14.279 All right with that we'll move on to finance. So the finance director, deputy 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:19.319 finance director and city accountant added a portion of admin but support 00:13:19.319 --> 00:13:24.359 will be shared with the clerk and HR so we've added in a small portion here to 00:13:24.359 --> 00:13:30.839 cover a I believe 25% of that part-time person we just discussed for Dovie. We're 00:13:30.839 --> 00:13:33.439 McAlwain, and then I'm also the Director of the Office of 00:13:33.439 --> 00:13:37.599 Public Administration. So we plan to use about 25% of that person 00:13:37.599 --> 00:13:43.659 for finance. Also audit fees moved from here to 00:13:43.659 --> 00:13:47.299 Interdepartmental, so that accounts for the change in the 00:13:47.299 --> 00:13:49.299 audit fees. 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.839 Also includes funds for shredding and documents. One of 00:13:56.839 --> 00:13:59.939 the problems is our shredding, our shredding, our shred beast 00:13:59.939 --> 00:14:09.740 So we're working on other options there so any questions on finance yes the 00:14:09.740 --> 00:14:16.299 moving audit fees is that something that Lauterbach had suggested or just a 00:14:16.299 --> 00:14:22.740 change in what you were wanting to do that's just me okay so interdepartmental 00:14:22.740 --> 00:14:27.179 kind of is a catch-all at the end of all of our departments is 101 163 it's the 00:14:27.179 --> 00:14:32.819 and the last one we'll be reviewing today and I felt that the audit fees were better represented 00:14:32.819 --> 00:14:35.019 in the finance department. 00:14:35.019 --> 00:14:40.980 I'd like to look at some of the other items that are also in interdepartmental such as 00:14:40.980 --> 00:14:46.139 postage or something like that so that those costs can also be allocated to the various 00:14:46.139 --> 00:14:47.139 departments. 00:14:47.139 --> 00:14:51.619 Right now it's kind of in one spot whereas it should, you know, I should know how much 00:14:51.619 --> 00:14:56.500 postage is every department so I'll be looking at that as well. 00:14:56.500 --> 00:15:00.500 So that might come back as an adjustment back later this fall. 00:15:00.500 --> 00:15:02.500 Very good. Thank you. 00:15:02.500 --> 00:15:06.500 Anything else on finance? 00:15:06.500 --> 00:15:08.500 Okay. 00:15:08.500 --> 00:15:12.500 Moving on to 133 legal. 00:15:12.500 --> 00:15:16.500 Essentially we're seeing some increases in our legal fees. 00:15:16.500 --> 00:15:22.500 But aside from that, pretty much status quo on legal. 00:15:22.500 --> 00:15:24.500 Any questions on legal? 00:15:26.500 --> 00:15:39.299 and others. Okay. The next one is, I was ahead of myself, but now 149, Community Development. 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:48.980 We have removed from the wages the grant manager in this fiscal year, and consulting services 00:15:48.980 --> 00:15:52.720 includes lobbyists and outside grant management. 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.399 So if you'll notice there at 6150, 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:01.919 that would fall under Grant, I'm sorry, Consulting Services. 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:04.399 Other than that, generally flat and level 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:05.759 with a few minor adjustments. 00:16:08.599 --> 00:16:11.079 Any questions on community development? 00:16:11.079 --> 00:16:15.319 Just wondering, is the staffing enough 00:16:15.319 --> 00:16:18.119 for community development? 00:16:18.119 --> 00:16:21.579 I think what we're looking at is maybe a change there, 00:16:21.579 --> 00:16:24.500 but I think what we're potentially 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:27.599 looking to make a change for is an additional compliance 00:16:27.599 --> 00:16:29.679 officer. 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.399 But at the time we put this together, 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:32.459 we hadn't quite got there. 00:16:32.459 --> 00:16:35.480 This may be one of those changes that you see at the end. 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.759 So when you say compliance, is that like a nuisance? 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:39.599 Yeah, nuisance, yeah. 00:16:39.599 --> 00:16:40.759 Code enforcement, I'm sorry. 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:41.759 Why did I say compliance? 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:42.259 Yeah. 00:16:42.259 --> 00:16:42.759 Oh, OK. 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.319 It's, sorry. 00:16:45.319 --> 00:16:45.879 It is in. 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:47.720 It's under building. 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:49.000 It's under building. 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:50.599 We just haven't got there yet. 00:16:50.599 --> 00:16:51.240 Oh, OK. 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:52.359 OK, thank you, Michelle. 00:16:52.359 --> 00:16:55.480 So just to add that point. 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:58.159 All right, any more questions on community development? 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:02.359 All right, under building. 00:17:02.359 --> 00:17:09.519 And this is, as Michelle quite directly pointed out, 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:13.279 so this includes an additional building inspector or code 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:15.519 enforcement, something to that effect. 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:21.960 And that is the main change under under 153 building 00:17:26.619 --> 00:17:28.619 Any questions on that? 00:17:33.619 --> 00:17:36.259 So so are we looking for it like 00:17:37.139 --> 00:17:43.099 Looking for someone now or are we waiting till the new year? Well, I think right now 00:17:43.099 --> 00:17:50.819 We're in the process of hiring a new Community Development Director. So we're kind of holding off until that person is placed. Okay 00:17:53.859 --> 00:17:58.460 Okay, and with that we'll move on to 155 hearing and admin 00:17:59.299 --> 00:18:03.259 This is essentially what Nicole charges for her services 00:18:04.179 --> 00:18:06.460 overseeing the compliance hearings 00:18:07.460 --> 00:18:09.460 So no real change is there 00:18:13.099 --> 00:18:21.099 How many times a month does she, she does, is it twice a month or? 00:18:21.099 --> 00:18:22.099 Two hearings per month. 00:18:22.099 --> 00:18:23.099 Okay. 00:18:23.099 --> 00:18:25.099 First, third, third of the day. 00:18:25.099 --> 00:18:26.099 Okay. 00:18:26.099 --> 00:18:28.099 I would say her load is picked up somewhat. 00:18:28.099 --> 00:18:29.099 Yes. 00:18:29.099 --> 00:18:30.099 Yeah. 00:18:30.099 --> 00:18:31.099 Okay. 00:18:31.099 --> 00:18:34.099 Any other questions on that? 00:18:34.099 --> 00:18:35.099 Okay. 00:18:35.099 --> 00:18:40.779 The next one is Human Resources 161. 00:18:40.779 --> 00:18:46.339 So the HR Manager, Admin Support Person is the same person we've been discussing, half 00:18:46.339 --> 00:18:53.179 time for Dovie, a quarter of the time for Finance, and a quarter of the time for HR. 00:18:53.179 --> 00:18:59.980 So that's included in Item 5000, which is an additional cost for employee. 00:18:59.980 --> 00:19:06.480 And then also other technical services, if you go down to 6540, it includes additional 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.480 and the 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.480 next fiscal year we want to make sure we accounted for that in 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.480 this year. 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.480 Any questions on that? Okay. 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.480 The next one is MIS and this does not stand for miscellaneous. 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.480 Right, Kurt? This one is MIS. 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:56.400 This one is Information Systems, so Management Information Systems. So we're looking to add a halftime person to be shared with the Water and Sewer Department. And I think Kurt could probably fill us in. But what, Kurt, you had some very specific ideas for that individual. Would you mention that right now? 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:00.400 Yeah, I thought it would really help out our guys with doing... 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:09.400 I thought it would really help out our guys with doing Julie locates in the field and we're going to do that through technology by getting better GIS mapping and GPS units. 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:15.400 We can really cut that time down. That's going to be the major initial efficiency, we'll see. 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:23.400 So Kurt mentioned GIS. That's essentially the maps that we have that identify the location of all of our infrastructure. 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:53.400 So water main, storm infrastructure, waste water, manholes, meters, services. So the better that gets, the more time we save in the field overall. And we're doing pretty good. But I think it would be a good investment, at least in the city, to make sure that those maps are updated and updated correctly. And that would be very helpful to have that individual for Kirk to make sure that happens. Any questions on? So did you say you want to hire a full time or part time? This would be a half time. 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:54.400 Fowler. 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:55.400 Thank you. 00:20:55.400 --> 00:21:12.680 And bearing in mind that these are the better RGIS systems are and the more we're able to 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:18.080 keep and maintain their accuracy as we build new infrastructure, put new water main in, 00:21:18.080 --> 00:21:21.720 change manholes, change the condition of things out there. 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.360 and this is huge savings for us in the future. 00:21:27.120 --> 00:21:29.400 Any other questions on MIS? 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:31.440 Greg, could I make a comment? 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:32.680 Go ahead. 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:34.720 I just wanted to say over the years, 00:21:35.800 --> 00:21:39.280 a lot of people don't realize what a fantastic job 00:21:39.280 --> 00:21:43.519 we've done at doing this to identify what kind of pipe 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.640 is every place goes back to the old pipe 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:49.200 and left in the 1800s and that stuff. 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:52.120 but if you start looking at the maps and the overlays 00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:57.000 and everything, it definitely saved crews a lot of time. 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.240 When they go out there, they know where they're gonna dig, 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:00.840 they know what they're gonna hit 00:22:00.840 --> 00:22:02.800 and everything's pretty well on target. 00:22:02.800 --> 00:22:06.640 But Kirk, thank you, but the guys before you 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.039 and the guys who worked for you do a great job on that. 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:10.880 Thanks. 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:14.440 It's more than just a job, it's a passion project. 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:16.120 So thank you for that, Kirk. 00:22:16.120 --> 00:22:18.260 And just, Darren, if you could just give the council 00:22:18.260 --> 00:22:29.760 and some kind of perspective. You work with a lot of different communities. What does that look like when they don't have GIS like we have in all of our infrastructure? What does that do for, say, the lead service line program? 00:22:29.760 --> 00:22:46.760 Oh, it makes the programs nearly impossible and cost a lot more money up front, cost, or not up front, but in construction. When you don't have records of the infrastructure that's buried, usually they end up getting hit, which becomes a project cost and a project repair. 00:22:46.760 --> 00:22:54.519 so there's just a lot of untold savings here all right with that I'd like to 00:22:54.519 --> 00:23:06.240 move on to 163 and interdepartmental so code 5225 group insurance the city's 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:11.960 share of retirees medical insurance so you're seeing an adjustment based on 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.400 and what we think is coming forward. 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:21.800 Then as well as 60-60, credit card fees for permits 00:23:21.800 --> 00:23:22.600 and et cetera. 00:23:22.600 --> 00:23:25.360 So we do recoup these on the revenue side. 00:23:25.360 --> 00:23:28.880 So even though you see a significant amount of money 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:33.760 there, that is recovered in other areas. 00:23:33.760 --> 00:23:36.680 General liability, cyber insurance, 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:41.680 so that falls under $63.90. 00:23:43.080 --> 00:23:46.360 We are adding cyber insurance to our package policy 00:23:46.360 --> 00:23:48.160 that was recommended by our carrier 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:49.200 and a lot of communities. 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.519 I just spoke with someone today 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.640 who worked in the city of Baltimore 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:58.120 and had a major data breach that cost them 00:23:58.120 --> 00:24:02.039 tens of millions of dollars in ransomware tax 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:03.760 to pay the people to go away. 00:24:03.760 --> 00:24:07.040 So this is a good money well spent. 00:24:15.260 --> 00:24:17.080 See here, 5G poles. 00:24:17.080 --> 00:24:20.519 So we're working with the county on the real estate tax. 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.720 You see there's an increase there. 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:24.880 Obviously, these are city-owned poles. 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:26.280 So we'll be working with the county 00:24:26.280 --> 00:24:30.519 to get these 5G poles removed from the tax rolls. 00:24:33.760 --> 00:24:43.840 Then on bond payments, item five, that would be item 9,000, transfer to debt service. 00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:49.480 So these are our bond payments that are due every year. 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:53.680 And then down toward the bottom, transfer out 90-50. 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:59.640 This is landfill support, and we'll discuss further when the landfill budget is presented. 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:04.640 but that is basically a bookmark for that. 00:25:06.620 --> 00:25:07.460 Any? 00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:08.960 Question about the bond payments? 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.800 Yes. 00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:15.820 Forgive me for my tardiness. 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:21.660 Kind of forget about this starting tonight. 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.039 So I don't even know what page we're on. 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:44.920 We're on questions on Inter-Departmental, Department 163 Okay. 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:51.160 So this is the bond payment throughout the year for each month or this is going to be 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.300 one big sum? 00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:58.220 I believe it depends on the bond, but some of them are quarterly, some of them are annually, 00:25:58.220 --> 00:26:03.340 and this is basically the total amount of the bond payments to service existing debt. 00:26:03.340 --> 00:26:10.660 Okay, is it possible to get a list of all the bonds we have out there, and whether or 00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:13.940 not they're monthly or annually? 00:26:13.940 --> 00:26:17.300 Yes, go ahead, Michelle. 00:26:17.300 --> 00:26:20.660 So bond payments work a little bit differently than like a mortgage, you know, where you 00:26:20.660 --> 00:26:22.000 you pay every month. 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.620 Bonds pay interest halfway through, 00:26:25.620 --> 00:26:30.580 so six months into the period you'll pay interest 00:26:30.580 --> 00:26:35.460 and then six months later you pay principal and interest. 00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:39.420 So each bond has their own schedule of how much, 00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:40.600 you know, of course, how much 00:26:40.600 --> 00:26:42.500 because they're all different amounts. 00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:48.580 All the bonds are listed in the back of our audit. 00:26:48.580 --> 00:26:53.580 So I think Alderman got a bound copy. 00:26:55.060 --> 00:26:58.580 So in the very back, there is a listing 00:26:58.580 --> 00:27:00.420 of all the city's bonds. 00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:02.100 It's also posted on the website. 00:27:02.100 --> 00:27:04.860 The city's audit is on the website. 00:27:04.860 --> 00:27:08.260 So in the very back, there's a page for every bond 00:27:08.260 --> 00:27:11.220 and there's the amount that's due every year, 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:13.019 broken up by principal and interest. 00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:28.500 thank you any other questions on interdepartmental okay thank you thank 00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:35.580 you I moves us to item 8 with discussion over the budget in general that is what 00:27:35.580 --> 00:27:43.180 That was brought forth tonight. 00:27:43.180 --> 00:27:49.460 Seeing none, we have public comments on agenda or non-agenda. 00:27:49.460 --> 00:27:51.460 Is there anybody? 00:27:51.460 --> 00:27:52.460 Excuse me, Chair. 00:27:52.460 --> 00:27:56.780 Did you want a motion and a second to extend that to five minutes? 00:27:56.780 --> 00:27:57.780 Is that your pleasure tonight? 00:27:57.780 --> 00:27:58.780 If needed, I guess. 00:27:58.780 --> 00:27:59.780 If needed. 00:27:59.780 --> 00:28:01.740 If we don't have any. 00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:04.740 I guess if there aren't any, it doesn't matter, does it? 00:28:06.740 --> 00:28:09.740 Seeing none, I take a motion for adjournment. 00:28:09.740 --> 00:28:10.740 So moved. 00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:11.740 Second. 00:28:11.740 --> 00:28:12.740 All in favor? 00:28:12.740 --> 00:28:13.740 Aye. 00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:14.740 Opposed? 00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:17.740 Thank you. 00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:21.740 And we'll be moving to the Committee of the Whole shortly. 00:28:24.740 --> 00:28:26.740 I think Kurt needs five minutes. 00:28:26.740 --> 00:28:27.740 Okay Kurt, you let me know.